Thanks again. Your generosity is well remembered. We don't have a whole lot of power---we're awfully good at changing flat tires, though---but you've got our blessing. ...
Well, you have me at an disadvantage.... you know who I am...care to disclose your identify
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Drifting wrote:So God didn't curse the Lamanites with a skin of blackness?
That was the Nephite's view.
Were the Nephites wrong?
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Thanks again. Your generosity is well remembered. We don't have a whole lot of power---we're awfully good at changing flat tires, though---but you've got our blessing. ...
Well, you have me at an disadvantage.... you know who I am...care to disclose your identify
I think you've just met one of the Three Nephites!
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Drifting wrote:So God didn't curse the Lamanites with a skin of blackness?
That was the Nephite's view.
Drifting wrote:Were the Nephites wrong?
Is judging someone on the basis of their skin color ever a good indication of a person's character or who they are?
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Is judging someone on the basis of their skin color ever a good indication of a person's character or who they are?
Did God change the Lamanites skin color or not?
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just me wrote:Did God change the Lamanites skin color or not?
The Nephites felt that way. But it may have just been a genetic mutation and they attributed it to God cursing the Lamanites with a dark skin as an outward sign of how evil they were. You can not just read things in the Bible or Book of Mormon and simply accept them at face value. I would hope we are more sophisticated (at least some of us are) than that nowdays.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Tobin wrote:You can not just read things in the Bible or Book of Mormon and simply accept them at face value.
Oh dear.
Either God changed the Lamanites skin colour to denote them as less righteous (Making God racially discriminatory) or the Nephites mistakenly thought God did it.
If the Nephites were mistaken, then you have to accept two things: 1. God chose not to remove racially offensive content from the translation that He gave to Joseph. 2. The Nephite record in the Book of Mormon cannot be trusted to accurately reflect God's teachings.
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“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Tobin wrote:You can not just read things in the Bible or Book of Mormon and simply accept them at face value.
Oh dear.
Either God changed the Lamanites skin colour to denote them as less righteous (Making God racially discriminatory) or the Nephites mistakenly thought Gid did it.
If the Nephites were mistaken, then you have to accept two things: 1. God chose not to remove racially offensive content from the translation that He gave to Joseph. 2. The Nephite record in the Book of Mormon cannot be trusted to accurately reflect God's teachings.
Or you can read the Book of Mormon with a little more comprehension than a six year old typically has.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Tobin wrote:You can not just read things in the Bible or Book of Mormon and simply accept them at face value.
Oh dear.
Either God changed the Lamanites skin colour to denote them as less righteous (Making God racially discriminatory) or the Nephites mistakenly thought Gid did it.
If the Nephites were mistaken, then you have to accept two things: 1. God chose not to remove racially offensive content from the translation that He gave to Joseph. 2. The Nephite record in the Book of Mormon cannot be trusted to accurately reflect God's teachings.
Tobin wrote:Or you can read the Book of Mormon with a little more comprehension than a six year old typically has.
Won't do. If you read the Book of Mormon as an early 19th C. text (which it almost certainly is), it is clear that it is intended to convey that black skin is what you get from being cursed because you are wicked.
I would think that point is clear to an intelligent six year old, as well as to an uncommitted sixty year old.
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Tobin wrote:Or you can read the Book of Mormon with a little more comprehension than a six year old typically has.
Won't do. If you read the Book of Mormon as an early 19th C. text (which it almost certainly is), it is clear that it is intended to convey that black skin is what you get from being cursed because you are wicked.
I would think that point is clear to an intelligent six year old, as well as to an uncommitted sixty year old.
Obviously. God is just going around left and right smiting the wicked with black skins. In fact, the moment the Nephites became wicked they too were hit with one. Give me a break.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom