Think racism isn't taught to Mormon kids? Think again.

[_Drifting]

Juggler Vain, may I attempt to answer for Tobin, and all other New-Age/New-Order/Dehlinite Mormons? The answer is very simple: God's hand is found in all things that are broadly acceptable to society, and is not in anything that may look kooky or abhorrent.

For example, God gave us the printing press and blue skies and the revelation to give blacks the priesthood. But God did not cause the disaster in Haiti, he didn't command polygamy, and he never once said that blacks should be denied the priesthood.

I hope that clears things up.

H.

A simpler way to say that is God is the truth. Those things that are not true are not from God.

Except...Mormons cannot tell what Gods truth is until after the Prophet who told them what Gods truth is has died and society has shown that it wasn't Gods truth in the first place.
E.g Prior to 1978 Mormons believed implicitly that Gods truth, as articulated by every Prophet from Brigham Young onwards, was that blacks had been cursed by God and should not be allowed to hold the Priesthood nor enter the Temple.
After 1978 Mormons believed implicitly that Gods truth, as articulated by every Prophet from SWK onwards, was that blacks had been cursed by God but that now God has changed His mind and blacks could be allowed the Priesthood and entrance to the Temple.
From this year onwards (until further light and knowledge is gained) Mormons have been told that actually, the current Prophet isn't so sure that the curse and banning of blacks was actually Gods truth in the first place.

Oh the joy of knowing Gods truth...

[Guest]

Third time's a charm: Which parts of the Book of Mormon and the LDS Church are "from God" or "the truth"?
-JV

There is a God and you can speak with God to determine what is true.

[_Juggler Vain]

Third time's a charm: Which parts of the Book of Mormon and the LDS Church are "from God" or "the truth"?
-JV

There there is a God and you can speak with God to determine what is true.

That's it? All the authority claims, scripture, doctrines, etc., of the LDS Church are not true, other than that concept? That's not even a uniquely "Mormon" concept. Is there anything else?

If I'm understanding you correctly, then I'm not sure why I see you in so many arguments with the apostates around here -- you seem to be in almost complete agreement with them when it comes to the truth claims of the Book of Mormon and the LDS Church. Maybe it just pushes your buttons when they dismiss the idea that God is out there somewhere with the truth, but I still don't know why you end up defending ridiculous Mormon things like you have in this thread.

-JV

[_Tobin]

That's it? All the authority claims, scripture, doctrines, etc., of the LDS Church are not true, other than that concept? That's not even a uniquely "Mormon" concept. Is there anything else?

If I'm understanding you correctly, then I'm not sure why I see you in so many arguments with the apostates around here -- you seem to be in almost complete agreement with them when it comes to the truth claims of the Book of Mormon and the LDS Church. Maybe it just pushes your buttons when they dismiss the idea that God is out there somewhere with the truth, but I still don't know why you end up defending ridiculous Mormon things like you have in this thread.

-JV

What ridiculous claim do you think I'm defending? I'm not ok with racism whether it is practiced and taught outside or inside the Church.

[_Drifting]

There there is a God and you can speak with God to determine what is true.

Which is exactly what God's chosen Prophet's did over the Priesthood Ban on black people.

Some of the Prophets were told by God that the ban was His doctrine.
Some of the Prophets were told by God that He had changed His mind.
The current Prophet has been told the Prophets prior to him weren't really inspired by God at all.

So what member can reliably tell what's God truth, when God gives mixed messages to His chosen Prophets?

[_Chap]

...

So what member can reliably tell what's God truth is when God gives mixed messages to His chosen Prophets?

All together now with Uncle Tobin:

You can speak with the Panda and ask him to tell you what is true.

No prophets needed in Tobin's version of Mormonism.

[_Bob Loblaw]

There is a God and you can speak with God to determine what is true.

Already done that. He said none of if it is, except there were people in America before Columbus, and they had religious beliefs. The rest is fiction.

[_LDSToronto]

Third time's a charm: Which parts of the Book of Mormon and the LDS Church are "from God" or "the truth"?
-JV

There is a God and you can speak with God to determine what is true.

None of it is true. God told me.

H.

[_LDSToronto]

Third time's a charm: Which parts of the Book of Mormon and the LDS Church are "from God" or "the truth"?
-JV

There is a God and you can speak with God to determine what is true.

He also told me that the LDS church is a racist and misogynist church. That means you are wrong.

H.

[_Juggler Vain]

That's it? All the authority claims, scripture, doctrines, etc., of the LDS Church are not true, other than that concept? That's not even a uniquely "Mormon" concept. Is there anything else?

If I'm understanding you correctly, then I'm not sure why I see you in so many arguments with the apostates around here -- you seem to be in almost complete agreement with them when it comes to the truth claims of the Book of Mormon and the LDS Church. Maybe it just pushes your buttons when they dismiss the idea that God is out there somewhere with the truth, but I still don't know why you end up defending ridiculous Mormon things like you have in this thread.

-JV

What ridiculous claim do you think I'm defending? I'm not ok with racism whether it is practiced and taught outside or inside the Church.

Not racism; I think you've been clear that you're not ok with it. I'm thinking of you arguing from the position that there actually were Nephites:

Admittedly there are parts of the Book of Mormon that were written by Nephites, who were racist.

Or you speculating in scientific terms about the natural mechanism that darkened the Lamanites' skin as a way to explain the Nephites' confusion about a curse:

Did God change the Lamanites skin color or not?

The Nephites felt that way. But it may have just been a genetic mutation and they attributed it to God cursing the Lamanites with a dark skin as an outward sign of how evil they were.

In context, your statements don't read to me as mere literary criticism, and the people arguing with you certainly took what you wrote as a defense of the historicity of the Book of Mormon. Is that not what you were doing?

-JV