Me to TBM friend/family, "Hey, did you know that a person can't be a Democrat and also be a good Mormon." TBM Family/Friend, "I don't know where you heard that from. The church is neutral on politics."
It's a pretty stupid argument against as being a member in good standing does not actually identify a "good" (believes and practices the doctrine) Mormon because the Church is politically neutral.
bcspace wrote:It's a pretty stupid argument against as being a member in good standing does not actually identify a "good" (believes and practices the doctrine) Mormon because the Church is politically neutral.
The LDS Church has had a statement read at church that neither of the two major political parties (that would be Republicans and Democrats) are incompatible with the principles of the Gospel.
As I think I've said in the past, I'm a devout Latter-day Saint and yet I say without apology that I voted for Paul Tsongas for president back in the 1992 Democratic caucuses. I thought he was the best man for the job.
bcspace wrote:It's a pretty stupid argument against as being a member in good standing does not actually identify a "good" (believes and practices the doctrine) Mormon because the Church is politically neutral.
The LDS Church has had a statement read at church that neither of the two major political parties (that would be Republicans and Democrats) are incompatible with the principles of the Gospel.
As I think I've said in the past, I'm a devout Latter-day Saint and yet I say without apology that I voted for Paul Tsongas for president back in the 1992 Democratic caucuses. I thought he was the best man for the job.
Kevin, here is what bcspace has to say about that:
bcspace wrote:I would consider any one who openly supports the Democratic Party to be an apostate and would not hesitate to call them out on it if given the opportunity.
So you are an apostate Kevin.
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You know, Drifting, I'm really not all that motivated by who BcSpace considers an apostate.
Nice one
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
I get the feeling that bcspace is like the crazy old uncle of MDB. He's always there and once in a while you wake him up just for the entertainment value.
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angsty wrote:I've found that mentioning any controversy surrounding LDS history or doctrine, along with any response to it whatsoever, tends to get my LDS family pissed off. They prefer to focus on other aspects.
Whenever I even start to bring a subject up the usual response is "I'm not going to get involved in that, I just know the Church is true" and the conversation is closed.
For instance, when watching a programme on the FLDS I asked a member of the family "I wonder how it was different when Joseph was polygamous?" "Joseph wasn't polygamous." "I'm sure he was, let me just google that. Yep, he had around thirty wives....hang on...it says some of them were married..." "He only married them because their husbands were dead." "Well, it says here that near Y a dozen of them had living husbands at the time he married them...hang on...I thought you said he wasn't polygamous but then you said he only married women who's husbands were dead..." "I'm not going to get involved in that. I know the Church is true" *family member exits the room*
You shouldn't confuse your own ignorance and bearing false witness of the issue with the ignorance of an LDS member who doesn't delve in the scholarship nor anti-mormon perversions of LDS history.
Joseph WAS NOT "polygamous"..... He was only "sealed" to many. He did not live "Polygamy". That is one of the reasons Emma swore to her death bed that Joseph didn't practice polygamy, because he actually didn't.
"Sealings" are not "Polygamy"!!! Learn the difference and the actual history please.
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ldsfaqs wrote: You shouldn't confuse your own ignorance and bearing false witness of the issue with the ignorance of an LDS member who doesn't delve in the scholarship nor anti-mormon perversions of LDS history.
Joseph WAS NOT "polygamous"..... He was only "sealed" to many. He did not live "Polygamy". That is one of the reasons Emma swore to her death bed that Joseph didn't practice polygamy, because he actually didn't.
"Sealings" are not "Polygamy"!!! Learn the difference and the actual history please.
The question is are you lying or just that ignorant. Man people can be stupid. I wonder why people try so hard to believe Joseph didn't practice polygamy when so many were doing it around him like BY.
ldsfaqs wrote: You shouldn't confuse your own ignorance and bearing false witness of the issue with the ignorance of an LDS member who doesn't delve in the scholarship nor anti-mormon perversions of LDS history.
Joseph WAS NOT "polygamous"..... He was only "sealed" to many. He did not live "Polygamy". That is one of the reasons Emma swore to her death bed that Joseph didn't practice polygamy, because he actually didn't.
"Sealings" are not "Polygamy"!!! Learn the difference and the actual history please.
The question is are you lying or just that ignorant. Man people can be stupid. I wonder why people try so hard to believe Joseph didn't practice polygamy when so many were doing it around him like BY.
Because there WERE NOT other people doing it primarily until Utah. You really need to study the history closer rather than believing anti-mormonism.
I once left the Church because of primarily Polygamy, Blacks & the Priesthood, and women and the Priesthood, and became anti-mormon and anti-religion. You are simply ignorant like I was, for you're not saying anything new that I've already debunked.
"Socialism is Rape and Capitalism is consensual sex" - Ben Shapiro