Bryce Haymond on Daniel Peterson: Humble Apologist

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Re: Bryce Haymond on Daniel Peterson: Humble Apologist

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Cicero wrote:Maybe, but the hotheads obviously aren't going away. I was initially surprised at how easily these guys were ignoring the fact that GAs (at least at Pres. Samuelson's level) were involved in DCP's dismissal . . . until I remembered how easily apologists ignore all kinds of statements from prior GAs that don't fit their world view. Maybe their smugness arises from the fact that they know all too well that they are better at mental gymnastics than anyone else out there.


It seems to me that they believe themselves to be more loyal to the Gospel and the LDS Church than some of the GAs are. That's my take on it, anyway.
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Re: Bryce Haymond on Daniel Peterson: Humble Apologist

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About humility.

If you have it, you don't have to talk about it.
If you have to talk about it, you don't have it.
Some things are just like that.
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Re: Bryce Haymond on Daniel Peterson: Humble Apologist

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lulu wrote:About humility.

If you have it, you don't have to talk about it.
If you have to talk about it, you don't have it.
Some things are just like that.


What utter nonsense. I for one am very proud of my humility. :wink:
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Re: Bryce Haymond on Daniel Peterson: Humble Apologist

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Cylon wrote:
Bryce Haymond wrote:They even go so far as to determinedly conclude that it is Mormon apologetics, in fact, that is having a negative influence on the Church, which you’ll notice is completely backwards from its true meaning and purpose. Indeed, they are saying that the defenders are now essentially those doing the damage, which is almost comical in its twistedness.

I agree. It is comical. What's even more comical is how un-self-aware apologists can be about it.

Completely baffling. Haymond acts as if by simply pointing out that a negative impact on the church is completely backwards from the true meaning and purpose of apologetics, he has effectively disproven than any such negative impact can exist. Because human endeavors always result in their intended effects, I suppose? There is no such thing as an unintended consequence?

This is like arguing that there's no way that Prohibition could have exacerbated the societal ills surrounding alcohol, because that's completely backwards from the law's true meaning and purpose!
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Re: Bryce Haymond on Daniel Peterson: Humble Apologist

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Sophocles wrote:Haymond acts as if by simply pointing out that a negative impact on the church is completely backwards from the true meaning and purpose of apologetics, he has effectively disproven than any such negative impact can exist. Because human endeavors always result in their intended effects, I suppose? There is no such thing as an unintended consequence?

This is like arguing that there's no way that Prohibition could have exacerbated the societal ills surrounding alcohol, because that's completely backwards from the law's true meaning and purpose!

Can I convince you to put that into a reply on Haymond's blog post?
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Re: Bryce Haymond on Daniel Peterson: Humble Apologist

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Dr. Shades wrote:Can I convince you to put that into a reply on Haymond's blog post?


I tried but it still says awaiting moderation.
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Re: Bryce Haymond on Daniel Peterson: Humble Apologist

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Sophocles wrote:
Dr. Shades wrote:Can I convince you to put that into a reply on Haymond's blog post?


I tried but it still says awaiting moderation.


"Moderation" = digital round file in this case.
Hey listen don't you let 'em get your mind...
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Re: Bryce Haymond on Daniel Peterson: Humble Apologist

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sansfoy wrote:"Moderation" = digital round file in this case.


Yep. Bryce doesn't welcome challenges.
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