Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

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_Bob Loblaw
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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schry

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RayAgostini wrote:Yeah, Will once characterised me as a "lone wolf" preying on women, and predicted my untimely death.

Tell me how far I should let my hate barometer go, Chap. Should I join the mob?

Become a Shryver-basher?



It's not hate or bashing to point out sociopathic behavior, and Schryver is a sociopath, as your example illustrates well.

I don't know the man well enough to have personal feelings towards him, but I see a disturbed and almost-pitiable person in him. so I would advise people to steer clear of him. Is that hate?

On the other hand, he does seem like a major douchebag to me, Maybe that's hateful, but that is my conclusion about him.
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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schry

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Bob Loblaw wrote:Paul O. does not pretend to be anything other than what he is. He can be rude, angry, sarcastic, and profane--and he owns it. Mr. Schryver, on the other hand, is all of those things, plus misogynistic and a stalker--but he denies all of this and claims he's the victim of some demonic conspiracy to silence his unparalleled brilliance. There's no comparison.


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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schry

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Bob Loblaw wrote:It's not hate or bashing to point out sociopathic behavior, and Schryver is a sociopath, as your example illustrates well.

I don't know the man well enough to have personal feelings towards him, but I see a disturbed and almost-pitiable person in him. so I would advise people to steer clear of him. Is that hate?

On the other hand, he does seem like a major douchebag to me, Maybe that's hateful, but that is my conclusion about him.


Can you be a little more descriptive? Why not just say Hitler had more morals than Will Schryver?
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RayAgostini wrote:Can you be a little more descriptive? Why not just say Hitler had more morals than Will Schryver?


Morals don't apply to sociopaths.

You went from Paul O. to Hitler pretty quickly. Not sure what that says about you or me or Paul O.
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Well, you know what they say about Godwin's Law...

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In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.

Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schry

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Ray,

There are, no doubt, other very vulgar posters on MD. There are, no doubt, other posters who have made dismissive or sexualized insults towards female posters based largely on their gender. But the difference between these other posters and Will is one that Chap and others pointed out: Will won't own his behavior. He cloaks it in some sort of righteous judgment, or now, pretends he didn't even say it. He delighted in his vulgar behavior for a long time on this board, and only when his behavior was put under the microscope by those outside this board did he decide to create - no, fabricate - an entirely different story about it. Now MD posters lied about him, and the moderators edited his posts.

Will can be quite charming when he wants to be. But that doesn't change the reality of his past behavior, and his current lies about that behavior.

I do agree that this thread gives Will the attention he's always craved. That desire is probably part of the dynamic of why he decided to lie about having called Emma a bitch. He often says something to stir the pot when he's been ignored for a while here.

You can be a good and loyal friend, Ray, I know that personally. I think your friendship and loyalty is blinding you a bit in regards to Will. But all of us share in that type of blindness when it comes to our friends. I won't fault you for that, but nor will I retract anything I've said about Will. And I say these things about Will not because he hurt my feelings, because he didn't have the power to do that, nor out of some vendetta. To be brutally frank in a way that is not flattering to myself, part of me enjoyed it when Will went over the top because it put his character in black and white for all to see. Besides, the insults he threw at me were so off the mark that they were laughable all along. His spirit of discernment is not as great as he imagines. I say these things because Will - at least the character that he chooses to share online - really is problematic and troubling. I hope you're able to recognize that much, even if you don't agree with the negative attention he's receiving on this thread.
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beastie wrote:
You can be a good and loyal friend, Ray, I know that personally. I think your friendship and loyalty is blinding you a bit in regards to Will. But all of us share in that type of blindness when it comes to our friends. I won't fault you for that, but nor will I retract anything I've said about Will. And I say these things about Will not because he hurt my feelings, because he didn't have the power to do that, nor out of some vendetta. To be brutally frank in a way that is not flattering to myself, part of me enjoyed it when Will went over the top because it put his character in black and white for all to see. Besides, the insults he threw at me were so off the mark that they were laughable all along. His spirit of discernment is not as great as he imagines. I say these things because Will - at least the character that he chooses to share online - really is problematic and troubling. I hope you're able to recognize that much, even if you don't agree with the negative attention he's receiving on this thread.


It's way past my bedtime, beastie, but I'll add a few thoughts before I depart for the land of sweet sleep.

Yes, I know what Will said about you, and I don't approve of it. I don't exactly sanction what he said about me, either, but I've let it pass as water under the bridge.

Some friendships are more important to me than anything else, including yours, but, with some exceptions, I don't want to be in a position where I have to choose one over the other. There are special qualities I value in all of my friends, and for that reason I try to maintain those friendships, even when they personally are against one another.

I suppose it's a tightrope act, sometimes.

[Add Helen Steiner Rice poem here.]

I like Will, and I like him because there's a kind of "spiritual connection" there, and I believe he's a far better person than the "demon" he's portrayed as being here. It pains me to read of the vilification.

Good night.
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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schry

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RayAgostini wrote:I believe [Schryver]'s a far better person than the "demon" he's portrayed as being here. It pains me to read of the vilification.


Vilification? I'd call it plain old direct quotation of Schryver's words accompanied by statements of the obvious in relation to such quotations. It is entirely through his own choice and his deliberate actions that he appears on this board as a foul-mouthed and untruthful person, whatever he may be elsewhere.

If he is a friend of yours, why not try to persuade him to behave better on internet message boards? Until he chooses do that, you can avoid emotional conflict by avoiding reading posts in which his name is mentioned.
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Chap wrote:....you can avoid emotional conflict by avoiding reading posts in which his name is mentioned.


Will do.

And good night to you too.
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This thread is priceless. http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/581 ... sentation/

Schryver is so jealous of Don Bradley he can't stand it. He hates his guts. Bradley's nice as pie to Schryver. Talks to him like the kid that just got cut from the team. Good luck, buddy, keep working, you'll make it next time.

Schryver: Hey Bradley, me and Skousen are going to rip both your Book of Abraham presentation and your Book of Mormon book to shreds. Hah! PS I'm about to publish my Book of Abraham stuff finally.

Other guy: Bradley's brilliant and should do church firesides.

Schryver to other guy: Seriously?

Schryver: oops (Skousen just busted my balls), let me clarify. I want to review the Book of Abraham article. Skousen wants to review the Book of Mormon book. He will not be working together with me on anything (nor will anyone else in the world with a PhD).

Bradley in his sweet voice: no probs Will, but Skousen never mentioned anything about reviewing my book.

Shryver: (balls busted again) oops let me clarify my clarification. Skousen does not want to review your book at all. I'm the only one with a grudge against you, I guess.

Bradley: luv ya too Will. Come over anytime and I'll give you tips on how you can get your work published.

Schryver: GREAT NEWS EVERYONE I'M GOING TO GET MY WORK PUBLISHED!!! ...(muttering in a low tone so no one hear's the rest) ... on my blog...
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