Drifting wrote: I don't think the issue is one of PC'ness. Paul has never denied saying abusive and derogatory things about people who promote homophobia. Homophobia is a nasty trait and people demonstrating they are homophobic and encouraging homophobia in others deserve all the ridicule and criticism they receive as a result.
Misogyny is also a horrible trait and the people who demonstrate and encourage misogyny deserve as much ridicule and criticsim as the homophobics.
People who treat others in a discriminatory way deserve to be, in turn, discriminated against. How Packer treats gays is exactly how Will treats women - as inferiors. Thank you for pointing out that Will is as bad as Packer in failing to treat people the way Christ would have us do so.
Have you asked Will's wife if she believes he a misogynist?
No, have you?
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For the record, I find Paul Osborne's more abusive posts boring and unfunny. I wish he would change his tone.
Paul's childish rudeness does not change my opinion of Schryver one little bit. Nor does it change my opinion of the sad people who come here to defend him.
Of course one thing Paul has not yet done is to tell us that all his abusive posts were forged by the moderators to discredit him. Schryver's use of that tactic is of course quite risky: if you believe him, he is a TBM martyr persecuted by an anti-Mormon mob. But if you don't - then he has admitted that the posts he claims to have been forged are deeply discrediting.
Which they are.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
No I haven't, actually, but I'm not the one claiming he a misogynist. You and others claim it. So the question still remains. Have you spoken to his wife?
My guess is that if Will's wife shares his sense of humour, and you asked her if he's a misogynist, she'd probably reply by saying "Of course he is! The bastard!"
Chap wrote: Of course one thing Paul has not yet done is to tell us that all his abusive posts were forged by the moderators to discredit him.
Will never claimed that. What gave you this idea?
Nope - I agree that Schryver has only claimed that ONE aspect of of his posts - and of all subsequent quotations from them - is the result of forgery by wicked moderators on this board, and those are the characterizations of Emma Smith as a bitch. See one example that I quoted above.
The rest of what is on the record by him on this board and undeleted, he is happy to stand by, since apparently TBMs have no problem about abusing 'apostate' women in the foulest of tones.
He has however realized when Treehugger (I think it was) called him on it on the MADboard, that TBMs would be less happy with abuse of the Prophet's wife. Those posts must therefore be erased from reality. Trouble is, no-one much seems to believe him about the wicked MDBmods having forged them.
Does Ray, I wonder? Come on Ray: feel like going all the way on the loyalty train?
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
My guess is that if Will's wife shares his sense of humour, and you asked her if he's a misogynist, she'd probably reply by saying "Of course he is! The bastard!"
And you'd take her reply seriously.
Can we leave Schryver's wife out of this, please? I don't think she has ever posted here, and she has sought no publicity in the world of online Mopologetics.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
treehugger wrote:William, can you address this one, what is the historical context that makes it acceptable?
"No, it’s just because Emma was a champion **** and no one else would have her except Joseph. (Needless to say, I don’t think I’ll be checking out the new “Emma Smith as the Exemplar for All Women” movie.)"
Yes, it is a forgery--one that I was even deceived into believing authentic for a period of time.
I originally wrote "wench" and it was subsequently altered (by someone with moderator capabilities) in the original post and also in any post that quoted it. For months they tried to get me to admit to saying that, and I consistently denied it, knowing I had not written such a thing. Then, almost magically one day, they produced a quote. And I was therefore, I felt at the time, compelled to issue an apology for it. Only later did I discover the evidence that it was a forgery. I will soon describe in some detail this and the other methods of propaganda legerdemain employed in the campaign by Mormon apostates to silence my apologetic articles and presentations.
Suffice it to say at present that there are no fewer than three attempts at forgery in MsJack's collection of what are mostly manipulated, out-of-context quotes, or greatly exaggerated claims based on posts typical of online banter. I should note that I have no reason to believe, at this time, that MsJack was complicit in the forgery element of all of this, only that she was entirely indiscriminate and otherwise without compunction when it came to accepting and manipulating information in such a way as to advance her little endeavor.
Good, isn't it?
How long do you think we shall have to wait until the promised justification of the 'forgery' accusation is produced?
This post was followed on the MADboard by a number of posts expressing incredulity at Schryver's claims, including one from Bob Crockett. All were deleted by the mods.
When I last looked, no-one had put up a post indicating that they believed Schryver. And that is on the MADboard, let us recall.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
Chap wrote: Can we leave Schryver's wife out of this, please? I don't think she has ever posted here, and she has sought no publicity in the world of online Mopologetics.
Will has mentioned her several times. But I don't want to drag her into this, either. I know Will loves her with all his heart, and is very proud of her, and his family and children, and his first grandchild, a grandson actually, by his daughter.
I'm just thinking of a way to break the news to them that, according to some MDBites, he's a misogynist.
Like I said, leave her out of it. Delete the posts that refer to her. Have done, man!
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.