Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

[_Kevin Graham]

I agree that the attention paid to the c word incident is overblown. I think Will focused on that because, prior to his creative rewriting of history which now includes moderator forgery, it was the only example for which he had a possible "out", plausible deniability, due to the fact that Harmony immediate edited out the word.

Personally, I believe using the c word is completely consistent with the character Will shared on this board, and I've never known Harmony to lie, so I see no reason to disbelieve her now. Others have asserted that they do not remember Will using the word. I consider that less strong evidence than Harmony's memory of actually seeing the word. But, as others have said, it's just one incident among many. Hardly worth the attention it receives.

It is overblown, but I see no reason to give Will the benefit of the doubt here just because a couple of guys hate the woman he offended. Ray is the one who keeps bringing this up as if it is some kind of slam dunk for his repeated suggestions that this forum is all about unjustified attacks on those innocent Mormons. I see no reason to concede this, even though it really is irrelevant to the point of Schryver's despicable character.

[_Kevin Graham]

He used it. I saw it, too. I'm also guilty of using it, but at least I own it. ;)

- VRDRC

OK, so now the witness count just went up. I wonder if they'll accuse you of lying too.

[_Kevin Graham]

I can stand as witness to the fact that Kevin Graham has a zero tolerance policy on lying.

LOL.

Yes, that is a pet peeve of mine.

[_Doctor CamNC4Me]

He used it. I saw it, too. I'm also guilty of using it, but at least I own it. ;)

- VRDRC

OK, so now the witness count just went up. I wonder if they'll accuse you of lying too.

See my edit. I remember he had spaced it out so it wouldn't be edited. Harmony deleted the offending material pretty quickly, though. Also, I think I challenged him to something or other based off that post... Something about him being such a big man to bully Harmony, but he won't take me up on my offer to roll.

- VRDRC

[_Kevin Graham]

See my edit. I remember he had spaced it out so it wouldn't be edited. Harmony deleted the offending material pretty quickly, though. Also, I think I challenged him to something or other based off that post... Something about him being such a big man to bully Harmony, but he won't take me up on my offer to roll.

- VRDRC

Yes, I remember making a comment similar to yours and I don't remember Will denying having used the C word until much later on. Does anyone know when he first denied saying it?

[_Rollo Tomasi]

The reasoning is based mostly on the theory that Rollo wouldn't have overlooked that comment had he read the original post, which is something even Rollo isn't willing to suggest.

I consider the "c-word" to be extremely vile (I honestly don't recall ever using the word myself, although I've used ever other bad word in the book on occasion), so I would remember seeing that word in a post if I read the post. In this case, I did not read any post by Will with the "c-word." But, again, this does not mean that Will did not use the word in a post that was edited before I got back to a thread. in my opinion, the use of the "c-word" is entirely consistent with prior posts by Will, so I would not be surprised to see Will use it. Someone above mentions that Will did use the word and "spaced it out" so as to avoid editing, but that Harmony (or some other Mod) saw it and deleted it (apparently before I had gotten back to the thread). If Harmony (or some other Mod) can confirm this is what happened, then I have complete confidence that Will in fact use the "c-word."

[_Shulem]

I don't see the big deal that willyboy called a girl a cunt. You all are making this into a big deal.

Rolling my goddamn eyes.

Paul O

[_Shulem]

Rollo, when is the last time you called a guy a dirty dick? Dick or cunt it's all the same.

Hipocrites!

Paul O

[_beastie]

Rollo, when is the last time you called a guy a dirty dick? Dick or c*** it's all the same.

Hipocrites!

Paul O

I do think there's a degree of hypocrisy involved in the different reactions between the c word and the more common "dick", or other variants. But it's probably due to the long cultural history of belittling women, something that white, straight men haven't experienced to the same extent.

I also don't think it would be getting the attention it now is except for the fact that Will has denied saying it. If I recall correctly, his first denial was in reaction to this thread, but I may be wrong.

[_beastie]

Rollo,

On page two of this thread Harmony confirms that is what happened.

(quoting Will, quoting Jack)

What did harmony edit out of William's post? What could he have possibly said that was so offensive that it was instantly moderated here in the land of free speech for all?

William called her a "c***." Just in case anyone reading this lives a very sheltered life: "c***" is "an abusive term usually considered the most offensive word [in reference to women] and even more forceful than bitch." I realize the original word is no longer preserved in William's post due to harmony's moderation, but there are several members of our community who remember this exchange and can vouch for this.

But remember, it's harmony who supposedly loathes women and being a woman. William has nothing but the utmost respect for his "c***s" and "bitches" and "whores."

(in reference to Will calling it a shameless lie, Harmony continued)

Unfortunately, it's the shameless truth and no amount of increased font size will change that. Your ever-descending cycle was only interrupted by being eventually booted from the board.