harmony wrote:I wonder whatever happened to "I teach them correct principles and let them govern themselves"? There certainly doesn't seem to much "governing themselves" going on anymore.
Not when there's money at stake.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
harmony wrote:I wonder whatever happened to "I teach them correct principles and let them govern themselves"? There certainly doesn't seem to much "governing themselves" going on anymore.
Not when there's money at stake.
How are they going to make money by building a 9 story building at the MTC? There's no direct tie to money there, unless this is just another example of giving projects to a family construction company to pad their bottom line.
(Nevo, Jan 23) And the Melchizedek Priesthood may not have been restored until the summer of 1830, several months after the organization of the Church.
harmony wrote:How are they going to make money by building a 9 story building at the MTC? There's no direct tie to money there, unless this is just another example of giving projects to a family construction company to pad their bottom line.
Bingo.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
harmony wrote:unless this is just another example of giving projects to a family construction company to pad their bottom line.
No. That can't be it. I'm sure there was a transparent bidding process for this job.
"We have taken up arms in defense of our liberty, our property, our wives, and our children; we are determined to preserve them, or die." - Captain Moroni - 'Address to the Inhabitants of Canada' 1775
harmony wrote:I wonder whatever happened to "I teach them correct principles and let them govern themselves"? There certainly doesn't seem to much "governing themselves" going on anymore.
Not when there's money at stake.
I thought that the number of missionaries was relatively stable in recent years and that the church had built several MTCs abroad. Why do they need this space?
Cicero wrote:I thought that the number of missionaries was relatively stable in recent years and that the church had built several MTCs abroad. Why do they need this space?
Now that City Creek is done, Big-D construction has less on its plate.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
I like how in the article, everything hinges on whether this is a "secular" or "ecclesiastical" issue.
At first, when the homeowners write to President Monson to remind him of promises that were made when the MTC was built, the church's response is that it's a secular issue. Meaning, of course, that the church is free to play hardball, go back on its promises, whatever. It's business. Something for the lawyers to fight with the city about, not something for the prophet to lead and guide and walk beside.
This, of course, meant that the homeowners were also free to fight it. It's business, after all. Secular business.
And the church was fine with that until it began to look like it might actually lose. Then all of the sudden it became ecclesiastical.
The biggest mistake here is to think that things can be separated into "strictly secular" or "strictly ecclesiastical". Those are as impossible to separate in the same fashion as religion and politics are impossible to separate.