Bob Loblaw wrote:http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/central/provo/neighborhood-chair-drops-mtc-fight-after-letter-from-church/article_dba7b325-5c70-566f-b6af-96c523e1ff84.html
So much for the Brethren's claim that they do not tell the members what to do in secular matters. They sure as hell do, and the good citizens of Pleasant Grove ought to stand up to this kind of tyranny (I know, that's a pipe dream, but the Brethren have gone way over the line on this one). Utah is one screwed-up place.
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
So much for the Brethren's claim that they do not tell the members what to do in secular matters. They sure as hell do, and the good citizens of Pleasant Grove ought to stand up to this kind of tyranny (I know, that's a pipe dream, but the Brethren have gone way over the line on this one). Utah is one screwed-up place.
Heck, even Obama tells you what to do in secular matters. The difference is that the Church does not take away your agency.
bcspace wrote:Heck, even Obama tells you what to do in secular matters. The difference is that the Church does not take away your agency.
Subtly threatening people's employment and their standing in the church is just as coercive as secular law. It's like you have this weird "bc" filter by which information and reasonable discussion turns into gibberish, as long as it supports your beloved institution.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
So much for the Brethren's claim that they do not tell the members what to do in secular matters. They sure as hell do, and the good citizens of Pleasant Grove ought to stand up to this kind of tyranny (I know, that's a pipe dream, but the Brethren have gone way over the line on this one). Utah is one screwed-up place.
Heck, even Obama tells you what to do in secular matters. The difference is that the Church does not take away your agency.
As the highest ranking government leader, he presides over secular America. To put this in church terms, he holds the keys to preside over your secular life. Just as you would not expect Obama to meddle in ward callings, you wouldn't want the church meddling over property issues.
"We have taken up arms in defense of our liberty, our property, our wives, and our children; we are determined to preserve them, or die." - Captain Moroni - 'Address to the Inhabitants of Canada' 1775
Why this form of communism doesn't infuriate Americans is beyond me, but it infuriates this Canadian.
Here's an invitation to the Brethren - someone please pass it along. I invite each and any of The First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve to come to Toronto and kiss my ass.
I will be waiting.
H.
"Others cannot endure their own littleness unless they can translate it into meaningfulness on the largest possible level." ~ Ernest Becker "Whether you think of it as heavenly or as earthly, if you love life immortality is no consolation for death." ~ Simone de Beauvoir
So why isn't DCP being sent an invitation to shut the hell up?
"And the human knew the source of life, the woman of him, and she conceived and bore Cain, and said, 'I have procreated a man with Yahweh.'" Gen. 4:1, interior quote translated by D. Bokovoy.
bcspace wrote:The biggest mistake here is to think that things can be separated into "strictly secular" or "strictly ecclesiastical". Those are as impossible to separate in the same fashion as religion and politics are impossible to separate.
bcspace wrote:Heck, even Obama tells you what to do in secular matters. The difference is that the Church does not take away your agency.
Just your eternal salvation ....
"Moving beyond apologist persuasion, LDS polemicists furiously (and often fraudulently) attack any non-traditional view of Mormonism. They don't mince words -- they mince the truth."
-- Mike Quinn, writing of the FARMSboys, in "Early Mormonism and the Magic World View," p. x (Rev. ed. 1998)
Maxrep wrote:Amazing how quickly he rolled over when the letter from the church arrived. I'm guessing not an alpha male
Considering he works for BYU I will give him credit for having the balls to bring it up in the first place. I'll bet the COB was pissed that they even had to waste their time to write a letter to some low life rank and file member. Who the hell did he think he was?
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. - The Dude
Don't you know there ain't no devil, there's just god when he's drunk - Tom Waits
