Nightlion wrote:You err not knowing the scripture my friend. This earth is undergoing changes preparatory to it becoming a celestial orb, where in fact the Supreme Headquarters of the Universe will be trucked to and settled down into like a nail hammered into it. This earth is where Jesus Christ ascends the throne of eternal power. (which is where he was before as he told the Jews in John 6)
Look back at Adam and Eve and project that scenario into your future IF you get exaltation. See? You will get your own world handed to you by the Christ who is the Only Begotten of the Father and the Lamb of God in that new turn of their eternal round of a course.
Incorrect.
Matt 5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Darth J wrote:Since the OP is talking about lies in "Mormonism 101:"
LDS Newsroom wrote: Do Latter-day Saints believe that they will “get their own planet”?
No. This idea is not taught in Latter-day Saint scripture, nor is it a doctrine of the Church. This misunderstanding stems from speculative comments unreflective of scriptural doctrine. Mormons believe that we are all sons and daughters of God and that all of us have the potential to grow during and after this life to become like our Heavenly Father (see Romans 8:16-17). The Church does not and has never purported to fully understand the specifics of Christ’s statement that “in my Father’s house are many mansions” (John 14:2).
Our conviction is that God, our Heavenly Father, wants us to live the life that He does. We learn both the spiritual things and the secular things “so we may one day create worlds [and] people and govern them” (Spencer W. Kimball, The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, ed. Edward L. Kimball [1982], 386).
D&C 138:12–17. Will Many People Be Saved in the Celestial Kingdom? ......... President Spencer W. Kimball said in a general priesthood meeting:
“Brethren, 225,000 of you are here tonight. I suppose 225,000 of you may become gods. There seems to be plenty of space out there in the universe. And the Lord has proved that he knows how to do it. I think he could make, or probably have us help make, worlds for all of us, for every one of us 225,000.
“Just think of the possibilities, the potential. Every little boy that has just been born becomes an heir to this glorious, glorious program. When he is grown, he meets a lovely woman; they are married in the holy temple. They live all the commandments of the Lord. They keep themselves clean. And then they become sons of God, and they go forward with their great program—they go beyond the angels, beyond the angels and the gods that are waiting there. They go to their exaltation.” (In Conference Report, Oct. 1975, p. 120; or Ensign, Nov. 1975, p. 80 ; see also Alma 13:10–12 .)
To live in the highest part of the celestial kingdom is called exaltation* or eternal life. To be able to live in this part of the celestial kingdom, people must have been married in the temple and must have kept the sacred promises they made in the temple. They will receive everything our Father in Heaven has and will become like Him. They will even be able to have spirit children and make new worlds for them to live on, and do all the things our Father in Heaven has done.
“Only a short time before his death, President Snow visited the Brigham Young University [then Brigham Young Academy], at Provo. President Brimhall escorted the party through one of the buildings; he wanted to reach the assembly room as soon as possible, as the students had already gathered. They were going through one of the kindergarten rooms; President Brimhall had reached the door and was about to open it and go on when President Snow said: ‘Wait a moment, President Brimhall, I want to see these children at work; what are they doing?’ Brother Brimhall replied that they were making clay spheres. ‘That is very interesting,’ the President said. ‘I want to watch them.’ He quietly watched the children for several minutes and then lifted a little girl, perhaps six years of age, and stood her on a table. He then took the clay sphere from her hand, and, turning to Brother Brimhall, said:
“‘President Brimhall, these children are now at play, making mud worlds, the time will come when some of these boys, through their faithfulness to the gospel, will progress and develop in knowledge, intelligence and power, in future eternities, until they shall be able to go out into space where there is unorganized matter and call together the necessary elements, and through their knowledge of and control over the laws and powers of nature, to organize matter into worlds on which their posterity may dwell, and over which they shall rule as gods’” (Snow, Improvement Era, June 1919, 658–59).
Teach Children to Accept and Understand Their Gender Roles ......... “Each one of you has it within the realm of his possibility to develop a kingdom over which you will preside as its king and god. You will need to develop yourself and grow in ability and power and worthiness, to govern such a world with all of its people. You are sent to this earth not merely to have a good time or to satisfy urges or passions or desires. You are sent to this earth, not to ride merry-go-rounds, airplanes, automobiles, and have what the world calls ‘fun.’
“You are sent to this world with a very serious purpose. You are sent to school, for that matter, to begin as a human infant and grow to unbelievable proportions in wisdom, judgment, knowledge, and power” (The Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, ed. Edward L. Kimball [Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1982], p. 31).
President Gordon B. Hinckley wrote: Q: Just another related question that comes up is the statements in the King Follet discourse by the Prophet.
A: Yeah
Q: ...about that, God the Father was once a man as we were. This is something that Christian writers are always addressing. Is this the teaching of the church today, that God the Father was once a man like we are?
A: I don't know that we teach it. I don't know that we emphasize it. I haven't heard it discussed for a long time in public discourse. I don't know. I don't know all the circumstances under which that statement was made. I understand the philosophical background behind it. But I don't know a lot about it and I don't know that others know a lot about it. http://www.fairlds.org/Misc/Does_Presid ... trine.html
Gordon B. Hinckley September 1994 Ensign In March of the year he died—1844—the Prophet had amplified this doctrine in a monumental address which he delivered in the grove which was just below the temple site. The text of that address has become an important doctrinal document in the theology of the Church. It is known as the King Follett Sermon.
bcspace wrote:I haven't said in this thread it was or wasn't doctrinal. I'm simply waiting on you guys to use the tools that have been given to determine what is and is not doctrine. So far, that hasn't happened. Unsupported claims have been made though and you need to break that habit if you want any respect.
It is slightly surprising to see you back to proclaiming your expertise on doctrine after the thorough ass-kicking you had recently on this board.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
I love the part where I use bcspace's own methodology, arrive at the correct (if inconvenient) conclusion, then he shows up, yells at Tobin for a second, and disappears without addressing my statement.
You haven't said anything inconvenient. I already had mentioned the doctrine and you incompletely referred to what Hinkley actually said and settled on. I had made no other claim other than the OP make an actual doctrinal reference. There's no hay to make here.
Tobin wrote:I mean man is not God nor ever will be. Our role in the everlastings is not as God and we will never have that role. Sure, we'll assist God in whatever he asks of us, but the false doctrine here is that men will be Gods unto themselves, having trillions of children with their wives, and creating worlds for those spirit children to inhabit. This is a completely false and evil doctrine taught in the Church and is used by the enemies of the Church to belittle the gospel and the truth. It needs to be stamped out because of that.
You should be disfellowshipped. Clearly you haven't served a mission, and taught the principle of Eternal Progression.
- VRDRC
In the face of madness, rationality has no power - Xiao Wang, US historiographer, 2287 AD.
Every record...falsified, every book rewritten...every statue...has been renamed or torn down, every date...altered...the process is continuing...minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Ideology is always right.
Tobin wrote:I mean man is not God nor ever will be. Our role in the everlastings is not as God and we will never have that role. Sure, we'll assist God in whatever he asks of us, but the false doctrine here is that men will be Gods unto themselves, having trillions of children with their wives, and creating worlds for those spirit children to inhabit. This is a completely false and evil doctrine taught in the Church and is used by the enemies of the Church to belittle the gospel and the truth. It needs to be stamped out because of that.
You should be disfellowshipped. Clearly you haven't served a mission, and taught the principle of Eternal Progression.
- VRDRC
From the current Gospel Principles manual...
Joseph Smith taught: “It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the Character of God. … He was once a man like us; … God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, sel. Joseph Fielding Smith [1976], 345–46).
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.” Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric
"One, two, three...let's go shopping!" Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator
Watching tobin, bcspace, and nightlion argue doctrine is like watching three blind people fistfight; entertaining for a few minutes but then just plain sad.
"Others cannot endure their own littleness unless they can translate it into meaningfulness on the largest possible level." ~ Ernest Becker "Whether you think of it as heavenly or as earthly, if you love life immortality is no consolation for death." ~ Simone de Beauvoir