Just read the 100-page hit piece on Dehlin . . .

[_consiglieri]

Gerald Bradford read the article in its entirety before pulling it.

The General Authority who gave the cancellation order read portions of it beforehand.

Anyone who says otherwise is either lying or misinformed.

This is interesting. It really made no sense that Bradford would put the kibosh on an article sight unseen.

On the other hand, such an allegation seems designed to cast him in the worst possible light.

Do we have any idea who the unnamed GA is yet?

[_Droopy]

BUT I must say as an outside observer with no real dog in the fight that it is a fact that DCP and Hamblin have each put themselves out there publicly and very stridently called Jack's and Narrator's sources liars. These sources REALLY should step up and defend themselves PUBLICLY.

Yes, they should, as should Elder Samualson...as he's

become part of the Mormock narrative as well.

Maybe they really don't care if the Droopys of the world are calling Bradford an apostate on Mormon chat boards

CFR...not that it hasn't happened, but it hasn't been me or anyone else I'm aware of who does apologetic on the Internet on a consistent basis.

but shouldn't they at least want to defend Bradford and the institute from Dan and Bill?

With friends like Gerald Bradford, apologetics needs few if any enemies outside its now secularized and apologetically neutral walls.

The old guard FARMS apologists are very much controlling the narrative at this point because Bradford and/or these anonymous sources won't contradict what Dan and Bill are saying, except apparently by selective anonymous leaks. That's simply not going to cut it.

No, the LDS liberals are controlling the narrative. Its their narrative, after all, and they are all over the Internet controlling and mediating it. Its only a story, at this juncture, and follows Dehlin's story, in general outline, but I'm confident we will have the truth as time goes by.

Look, people can cite evidence of Dan's and Bill's credibility issues all day long, and I certainly have profound disagreements with each of them, but for most folks their credibility will beat "anonymous sources within MI" every time.

You'll hate yourself in the morning, but we agree here.

[_Bob Loblaw]

The very idea is preposterous on its face. This game is not going to work, just as none of the other adolescent games played by the inmates of this intellectual and moral reptile house have ever worked.

Kevin Graham, now a raving, narcissistic madman dedicated solely to the personal ad hominem vilification and destruction of anyone and anyone who finds fault with his fantastic calumnies and gangreneish "scholarship," and having apparently no life worth living outside of his own project of publicly defaming, soiling, and defecating on the Church, its teachings, and its people, provides us with another eye-bulging foray into the churning cauldron that is what's left of his mind.

The Wreck of the Kevin Fitzgraham.

The legend lives on.

A thesaurus is a terrible thing to waste.

[_Droopy]

Gerald Bradford read the article in its entirety before pulling it.

The General Authority who gave the cancellation order read portions of it beforehand.

Anyone who says otherwise is either lying or misinformed.

This is interesting. It really made no sense that Bradford would put the kibosh on an article sight unseen.

What's even more interesting is that no one who actually has any direct knowledge of these issues buys any of it at all. Bridget Myer's narrative here, at this point, appears to be either an utter fabrication (and she's done this before - brazenly, let it be said - when yet another apologist's reputation and credibility where on the posse chopping block - and with the same lack of documentary, verifiable evidence or facts).

Yet another responder with direct knowledge of MI and its internal workings as come forward at Sic et Non:

I am a colleague of Dr. Peterson’s who works at the Maxwell Institute. Although he and I have deep differences of opinion on significant issues, I, too, want to affirm that the messages referred to here are, to the best of my knowledge, simply wrong. They are either irresponsible distortions of the facts or are outright fabrications.

We have precedent here, in other words, for precisely this kind of narrative among the same people.

Ericson's wholly secularized, politically corrected perception of the Church and of the apologetics movement has also long been noted.

Mind, in other words, the sources of the narrative, and yes, you will find the MDB exmo posse.

In other words, the usual suspects.

[Guest]

A thesaurus is a terrible thing to waste.

And at 7th to 8th grade literary composition and reading comprehension levels (the MDB norm), a thesaurus is of only limited utility.

[Guest]

What's even more interesting is that no one who actually has any direct knowledge of these issues buys any of it at all. Bridget Myer's narrative here, at this point, appears to be either an utter fabrication (and she's done this before - brazenly, let it be said - when yet another apologist's reputation and credibility where on the posse chopping block - and with the same lack of documentary, verifiable evidence or facts.

CFR on MsJack lying or fabricating anything. You are just proving yourself more of a dickhead than I thought.

We have precedent here, in other words, for precisely this kind of narrative among the same people.

BS. Prove that MsJack has lied.

You are an insufferable prick. I can prove that, but you can't prove that MsJack lied or fabricated evidence.

Ericson's wholly secularized, politically corrected perception of the Church and of the apologetics movement has also long been noted.

Who gives a crap? Prove that anyone is lying, or shut the hell up.

Mind, in other words, the sources of the narrative, and yes, you will find the MDB exmo posse.

In other words, the usual suspects.

If you're going to accuse people of dishonesty, you damn well better prove it.

[_Bob Loblaw]

And a 7th to 8th grade reading comprehension levels (the MDB norm), a thesaurus is of only limited utility.

Bereft of wit, Droopy repeats his mantra like a nursing home patient on thorazine. And he thinks he's being witty.

[_Droopy]

CFR on MsJack lying or fabricating anything. You are just proving yourself more of a dickhead than I thought.

She, supported by the more bloodshot-eyed feminists and politically corrected NOM'm and exmos here, fabricated a fantastic calumny of William Schryver, just at the time he had found a publisher for some of his work on the KEP. Given the nature of the charge and the claimed evidence for its legitimacy, it was yet another example of what I've come to call the Anita Hill Syndrome among the Left, and the Mormon Left is no different at all from the non-Mormon Left.

b***s***. Prove that MsJack has lied.

I can't, really, because the evidence she claimed to be using to support her allegations did not exist at all. Other evidence and logical argument had to be used.

You are an insufferable prick. I can prove that...

You are proving something, at this point, but not, I fear, what you think.

Who gives a s***? Prove that anyone is lying, or shut the hell up.

Let me give you a heads up, Bob. You are now among an entire coterie of liars, slanderers, and vipers in a viper pit that was dug originally and precisely to be a place for the purveyance of exactly the kind of narrative presently in play with regards to Danial and the MI. That is why MDB exists. Its a place where this kind of thing is gestated, nurtured, and encouraged.

You are now a part of it, and it appears that you will be quite comfortable here in the Great and Spacious Trailerpark among the Anointed.

If you're going to accuse people of dishonesty, you damn well better prove it.

Take this faux moral outrage to some of your comrades in here, Bob. I can name a few of them who could use a good dose of proving their slanders and smears of people they cannot defeat in the marketplace of ideas.

[_Droopy]

And a 7th to 8th grade reading comprehension levels (the MDB norm), a thesaurus is of only limited utility.

Bereft of wit, Droopy repeats his mantra like a nursing home patient on thorazine. And he thinks he's being witty.

Sigh......yet another intellectual poseur at the Trailerpark.

You're just another brick in the wall, Bob.

[_Bob Loblaw]

She, supported by the more bloodshot-eyed feminists and politically corrected NOM'm and exmos here, fabricated a fantastic calumny of William Schryver, just at the time he had found a publisher for some of his work on the KEP.

By "fabricated" you mean "quoted his own words." She showed what kind of person Mr. Schryver is, and she fabricated nothing.

Given the nature of the charge and the claimed evidence for its legitimacy, it was yet another example of what I've come to call the Anita Hill Syndrome among the Left, and the Mormon Left is no different at all from the non-Mormon Left.

What claimed evidence? I read her thread. She laid it all out carefully and let him hang himself. It's one thing to support Schryver, but it's another thing entirely to pretend he didn't say what he did. He's had years to cultivate his image, and then he whinges when it comes back to bite him.

I can't, really,

No crap. In other words, you lied about MsJack.

because the evidence she claimed to be using to support her allegations did not exist at all. Other evidence and logical argument had to be used.

Since when are a man's own words not evidence? Your stupidity knows no depths.

You are proving something, at this point, but not, I fear, what you think.

I don't mind admitting I can be a prick sometimes, but that's not the point here. You accused someone of lying and then, when pressed on it, started crying about nonexisting evidence.

Let me give you a heads up, Bob. You are now among an entire coterie of liars, slanderers, and vipers

The only one I see lying and slandering is you.

in a viper pit that was dug originally and precisely to be a place for the purveyance of exactly the kind of narrative presently in play with regards to Danial and the MI. That is why MDB exists. Its a place where this kind of thing is gestated, nurtured, and encouraged.

The way to combat lies is with the truth. That you had to lie to attack MsJack shows who is nurturing dishonesty.

You are now a part of it, and it appears that you will be quite comfortable here in the Great and Spacious Trailerpark among the Anointed.

Maybe I will. If posting here means standing up to obvious liars like you, I'll be in good company.

Take this faux moral outrage to some of your comrades in here, Bob.

Ooooh, he used the word "faux." How impressive! How's about you take your lying ass to the Maxwell Institute, where you'll be right at home. Oh yeah that's right: they banned you.

I can name a few of them who could use a good dose of proving their slanders and smears of people they cannot defeat in the marketplace of ideas.

The tu quoque fallacy doesn't work, especially when it's invoked by a now-proven liar.