Schryver on Bushman's RSR

[_sansfoy]

Slightly off topic, but have you noticed that whenever religious leaders start railing against homosexuality and the "gay agenda" the next step is frequently tabloid pictures with a male escort?

[_Darth J]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWrlAmT4jyA

The parallels between Macho Man's anger at the president of the WWF and the anger of the Danites at Gerald Butler are truly uncanny.

Are the Danites angry at Gerald Butler?






Who is Gerald Butler? Is he related to Gerard Bradford by any chance?

Whoops! Freudian slip. I was thinking of this:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=13036&start=63&hilit=spartans&p=322688&view=show#p322688

I have no problem proclaiming my friendship for Loran.

Indeed, I'd sooner have ten men like him beside me in a desperate battle than a thousand of the kind most commonly seen in this place. When the enemy came in view, he'd stick around while the rest of you cowards turned tail.

And ditto. Indeed, better 300 Spartans than tens of thousands of Quislings - no matter how potentially well armed.

So now maybe my spoonerism of "Gerald" and "Butler" at least makes some sense in this context.

[_Equality]

Indeed, better 300 Spartans than tens of thousands of Quislings

This is kind of a neat mixed historical metaphor, though.

[_Bob Loblaw]

This is kind of a neat mixed historical metaphor, though.

A stopped clock ...

[_Sethbag]

But seriously, there has been a pronounced reluctance among LDS apologists to strongly criticize Bushman and Rough Stone Rolling on account of a certain sense of "loyalty to the team."

Right, just like there has been a pronounced reluctance among LDS apologists to strongly criticize Rodney Meldrum on account of a certain sense of "loyalty to the team."

What is the team though? Meldrum wasn't on the Mopologists' team. It looks like Bushman isn't either, as far as Schryver is concerned.

[_Hellmut]

Well, the Quislings were the latter-day Spartans. They fought in the battle of Berlin knowing that they would meet their doom.

That's nothing to celebrate, on the contrary, but if your testimony is so weak that you need to refer to your opponents as Quislings, which trivializes the Holocaust, may be, it's time for you to shut up.

My apologies for the clear language.

[_Morley]

Well, the Quislings were the latter-day Spartans. They fought in the battle of Berlin knowing that they would meet their doom.

That's nothing to celebrate, on the contrary, but if your testimony is so weak that you need to refer to your opponents as Quislings, which trivializes the Holocaust, may be, it's time for you to shut up.

My apologies for the clear language.

What!?

[_Morley]

Well, the Quislings were the latter-day Spartans. They fought in the battle of Berlin knowing that they would meet their doom.

Apparently my knowledge of history is inadequate.

Let's take this a paragraph at a time. Please explain the above, Hellmut.

[_Hellmut]

Thanks for the question, Morley. Quisling was a Norwegian national who became the head of the Nazi puppet regime in Norway. As such his name has become synonymous for traitors.

The Norwegian Nazis were a tiny minority but they did recruit a number of SS volunteers, which were organized in the Viking and Nordland SS Divisions. The SS Division Nordland participated ultimately in the senseless defense of Berlin when everything was already lost. Therefore, it is factually wrong to refer to Quislings as cowards.

A brave traitor is worse than a cowardly traitor. The Quislings' treason as well as their bravery promoted genocide and subjugation. Therefore courage in the service of evil is a vice.

For the purposes of this message board, and this refers only to the first use of the phrase in the other thread, not the quotes, it is uncivil and unreasonable to imply that Mormon skeptics and dissidents are Quislings. It is not only a malicious and slanderous insult but it trivializes the evil in which Quislings participated. It is unethical to instrumentalize the holocaust to damage our rhetorical opponents in a matter of religious differences, which are a matter of conscience.

I will admit that I am quite sensitive about these matters. I am afraid that the original remark crossed the boundaries of propriety by a long shot.

[_DrW]

Thanks for the question, Morley. Quisling was a Norwegian national who became the head of the Nazi puppet regime in Norway. As such his name has become synonymous for traitors.

The Norwegian Nazis were a tiny minority but they did recruit a number of SS volunteers, which were organized in the Viking and Nordland SS Divisions. The SS Division Nordland participated ultimately in the senseless defense of Berlin when everything was already lost. Therefore, it is factually wrong to refer to Quislings as cowards.

A brave traitor is worse than a cowardly traitor. The Quislings' treason as well as their bravery promoted genocide and subjugation. Therefore courage in the service of evil is a vice.

For the purposes of this message board, and this refers only to the first use of the phrase in the other thread, not the quotes, it is uncivil and unreasonable to imply that Mormon skeptics and dissidents are Quislings. It is not only a malicious and slanderous insult but it trivializes the evil in which Quislings participated. It is unethical to instrumentalize the holocaust to damage our rhetorical opponents in a matter of religious differences, which are a matter of conscience.

I will admit that I am quite sensitive about these matters. I am afraid that the original remark crossed the boundaries of propriety by a long shot.

Very fine explanation. Had never heard the term before. Thanks.