Equality wrote:But the Lord has never bothered to correct the canonized scripture where it says it was written by the hand of God on papyrus and that the facsimiles were part of it. The Lord has allowed his prophets running his one true church to perpetuate Joseph Smith's errors but has told Tobin that this is what really happened. After 12 pages of this it doesn't make any more sense now than when we started down this rabbit hole.
The Lord corrected Joseph in his error, but not the prophets who later canonized the scripture? That God must be some kind of practical joker to leave for more than 150 years a mistranslation that makes his chosen prophet look like an obvious fraud.
Tobin's position is that God did not correct Joseph at all.
Themis wrote:Tobin's position is that God did not correct Joseph at all.
I guess he corrected the prophets Hugh Nibley and Ed Ashment.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
What if---just hypothetically---Tobin has no coherent ideas at all, but is simply going from one ad hoc assertion to another because he thinks objective reality has to be molded to fit his religious convictions, instead of vice-versa?
Equality wrote:But the Lord has never bothered to correct the canonized scripture where it says it was written by the hand of God on papyrus and that the facsimiles were part of it. The Lord has allowed his prophets running his one true church to perpetuate Joseph Smith's errors but has told Tobin that this is what really happened. After 12 pages of this it doesn't make any more sense now than when we started down this rabbit hole.
The Lord corrected Joseph in his error, but not the prophets who later canonized the scripture? That God must be some kind of practical joker to leave for more than 150 years a mistranslation that makes his chosen prophet look like an obvious fraud.
And God allowed a racist policy instituted by BY stand for over a hundred years too till one of the Mormon prophet's thought to ask and put a stop to it.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Themis wrote:I have asked him to provide evidence for their claims. It basically comes down to they are smart so there must be something to it.
I may not be smart enough to understand, but I don't think it's a good defense strategy to say "none of this makes any sense, and any claims Joseph Smith made about truth or translation were just his own mistakes." Maybe Tobin is an anti-mormon sockpuppet after all.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
Tobin wrote:And God allowed a racist policy instituted by BY stand for over a hundred years too till one of the Mormon prophet's thought to ask and put a stop to it.
It's looking at all these things that fit the critic view so perfectly and no good answers for so many problems that just makes many people realize God wasn't involved in any of it. God didn't correct BY or others simply because they were never prophets of God.
Themis wrote: Tobin's position is that God did not correct Joseph at all.
I think a review of the thread will show that Tobin has taken inconsistent (or, at the very least, incoherent) positions on this. At first he said Joseph Smith acted on his own, out of his own ignorance and arrogance (Tobin's words), in providing the translations of the facsimiles. Then later Tobin said that Joseph was inspired to restore some of the original Abrahamic drawings onto the Egyptian drawings, but the church somehow somewhere screwed it up and didn't publish Joseph Smith's inspired corrections. No explanation has yet been forthcoming as to why Mormon God acts in a manner that would make even Loki blush in embarrassment.
"The Church is authoritarian, tribal, provincial, and founded on a loosely biblical racist frontier sex cult."--Juggler Vain "The LDS church is the Amway of religions. Even with all the soap they sell, they still manage to come away smelling dirty."--Some Schmo
Bob Loblaw wrote:I guess he corrected the prophets Hugh Nibley and Ed Ashment.
I have asked him to provide evidence for their claims. It basically comes down to they are smart so there must be something to it.
No, it comes down to Themis has never bothered to read their arguments or articles on the matter. Otherwise, he'd be aware there were other views about the Book of Abraham.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom
Tobin wrote:And God allowed a racist policy instituted by BY stand for over a hundred years too till one of the Mormon prophet's thought to ask and put a stop to it.
It's looking at all these things that fit the critic view so perfectly and no good answers for so many problems that just makes many people realize God wasn't involved in any of it. God didn't correct BY or others simply because they were never prophets of God.
Or maybe the contention that people are God's sock puppets is wrong.
"You lack vision, but I see a place where people get on and off the freeway. On and off, off and on all day, all night.... Tire salons, automobile dealerships and wonderful, wonderful billboards reaching as far as the eye can see. My God, it'll be beautiful." -- Judge Doom