Is Misogyny Alive and Well With Some TBMs?

[Guest]

Society dictates what is "masculine/manly." That's what is so lame about the whole thing.

Actually, much of it is grounded in both biology and preexistent ontological characteristics of human beings as literal children of God, which is why ...

False premise.

H.

Society dictates what is "masculine/manly."

False premise (gross oversimplification)

False premise.

Appeal to ignorance.


L.

[_Chap]

How about this gentleman, who likes flowers, dressing up, and showing his legs?

We don't know if he truly enjoyed flowers because he isn't wearing them!
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It's a painting. He said he wanted the flowers in the painting, or they wouldn't be there. And he paid for them too.

He liked flowers.

[_Darth J]

Society dictates what is "masculine/manly." That's what is so lame about the whole thing.

Actually, much of it is grounded in both biology and preexistent ontological characteristics of human beings as literal children of God, which is why feminine and masculine characteristics are so uniformly similar across numerous cultures, even given the various accretions and differences that exist, from culture to culture.

Relativism is a poor basis on which to do analysis of social and cultural dynamics, and postmodern relativism, which intensifies and focuses such relativism until it collapses into its self contradictory nihilistic core, is, as of the present, the worst the Great and Spacious Building has to offer.

Without doubt, DNA and the Restored Gospel explain why it is socially acceptable for men to wear skirts in Scotland and Sri Lanka and India and Polynesia, but not in Texas or Connecticut. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men%27s_skirts

Or perhaps Droopy is vesting (ha!) his own cultural norms with a mystical aura of absolute divine truth, as solipsists such as himself are prone to do.

P.S. Droopy, how many dependent clauses should one force into a sentence before the poor syntax overwhelms whatever one is attempting to say? Is more than five too many?

[_zeezrom]

It's a painting. He said he wanted the flowers in the painting, or they wouldn't be there. And he paid for them too.

He liked flowers.

You are right. I was getting lost in the weeds and thistles with this one. I'm just so excited about it all. I was trying to say how wearing flowers is a more explicit way of expressing your enjoyment of flowers than simply posing next to them.

[_Chap]

Do you think Droopy has traveled much?

And I am not asking whether he has been to Provo.

[Guest]

I think it would be interesting to actually have a serious discussion regarding this issue.

My own experience, especially living in Utah, is that Mormon men have roots so firmly in their psych that they are gods, and everything is subject to their amazing powers of discernment. It makes working with them difficult at times, especially if/when they make mistakes. The idea of needing to be "perfect"at all times, and experiencing a failure in discernment...is that some sort of tremendous pressure?

In regards to women, some LDS men flirt more and touch more than any other business men I know. Wish I could say why, exactly, but I can't help thinking it comes from viewing marriage as open. Even if it is only a possibility and not a practice. Rather than viewing marriage as permanently closed to the possibility of any other.

[_Darth J]

Men in ancient Egypt wore skirts.



So did their slaves, as we see here on Shulem:



Since we know from ancient documents that the Egyptians were trying to imitate Mormonism, but they couldn't hold the priesthood because they descended from Ham after he got off Noah's ark, why didn't they figure out that skirts are girly when Father Abraham taught them 19th-century astronomical concepts? Why didn't Abraham teach them that modern western fashion conventions are eternal truths from God?

[_Chap]

It's a painting. He said he wanted the flowers in the painting, or they wouldn't be there. And he paid for them too.

He liked flowers.

You are right. I was getting lost in the weeds and thistles with this one. I'm just so excited about it all. I was trying to say how wearing flowers is a more explicit way of expressing your enjoyment of flowers than simply posing next to them.

I think Athene is cool, so I am glad we agree!

[_Droopy]

And as for uniformity amongst cultures...yeah, I imagine that patriarchal cultures would all be fairly similar in this regard.

Core feminine and masculine characteristics remain remarkably similar across cultures, even well numerous variations in norms, mores, folkways, and idiosyncratic cultural features are taken into consideration.

The primary distorting element in the West regarding gender, gender roles, and gendered self image, has been feminism, who's primary accomplishment, among several, has been the transference of the worst aspects of the male psych to woman.

But feminism is an ideology, not a scientific or anthropologically serious analysis of anything.

[_Chap]

And as for uniformity amongst cultures...yeah, I imagine that patriarchal cultures would all be fairly similar in this regard.

Core feminine and masculine characteristics remain remarkably similar across cultures, even well numerous variations in norms, mores, folkways, and idiosyncratic cultural features are taken into consideration.

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I repeat my question - has Droopy traveled much, do you think?