Is Misogyny Alive and Well With Some TBMs?

[_Darth J]

When I was 19, the Signature Machine at Church Headquarters called me on a mission to Italy.

In Italy, it is perfectly normal for very masculine, very heterosexual men to hold hands when they are walking down the street together. It is also perfectly normal for them to kiss each other on the cheeks when saying hello or goodbye.

This must also be perfectly normal in Kershaw, South Carolina, since core feminine and masculine characteristics remain remarkably similar across cultures, even well numerous variations in norms, mores, folkways, and idiosyncratic cultural features are taken into consideration.

[Guest]

My own experience, especially living in Utah, is that Mormon men have roots so firmly in their psych that they are gods,

Hmmm, this would be way, way, way out beyond anything approaching Church doctrine. Funny, but I've never noticed this, myself.

and everything is subject to their amazing powers of discernment. It makes working with them difficult at times, especially if/when they make mistakes. The idea of needing to be "perfect"at all times, and experiencing a failure in discernment...is that some sort of tremendous pressure?

This will actually fool some people around here (intellectually normal, psychologically balanced folks excepted, of course).

In regards to women, some LDS men flirt more and touch more than any other business men I know. Wish I could say why, exactly, but I can't help thinking it comes from viewing marriage as open. Even if it is only a possibility and not a practice, Rather than viewing marriage as permanently closed to the possibility of any other.

Insanity clearly comes in a variety of flavors and textures. In this case, that this person actually appears to expect this kind of statement to be taken seriously bespeaks a rather palpable detachment from reality.

I haven't actually seen anything this good for several years now. Reminds of some of the crazier stuff I encountered from some of the more psychologically interesting anti-Mormon female posters in the first couple of years of this board's existence.

Real RFM stuff, that.

[_madeleine]

Yes, even the college archaeology level course I took a year ago taught that the idea of "men were the great hunters protecting the meek and berry picking women" was a bias placed on archaeological research by men, and NOT accurate.

[_Droopy]

Yes, even the college archaeology level course I took a year ago taught that the idea of "men were the great hunters protecting the meek and berry picking women" was a bias placed on archaeological research by men, and NOT accurate.

Yes, there are a few very obscure, tiny, isolated tribal/hunter gatherer societies which have had the woman going out and picking berries and the men staying home and weaving baskets.

The overwhelming tendencies, however, have been quite different, for thousands of years, for the vast majority of cultures that have existed.

For obvious reasons.

[_madeleine]

My own experience, especially living in Utah, is that Mormon men have roots so firmly in their psych that they are gods,

Hmmm, this would be way, way, way out beyond anything approaching Church doctrine. Funny, but I've never noticed this, myself.

and everything is subject to their amazing powers of discernment. It makes working with them difficult at times, especially if/when they make mistakes. The idea of needing to be "perfect"at all times, and experiencing a failure in discernment...is that some sort of tremendous pressure?

This will actually fool some people around here (intellectually normal, psychologically balanced folks excepted, of course).

In regards to women, some LDS men flirt more and touch more than any other business men I know. Wish I could say why, exactly, but I can't help thinking it comes from viewing marriage as open. Even if it is only a possibility and not a practice, Rather than viewing marriage as permanently closed to the possibility of any other.

Insanity clearly comes in a variety of flavors and textures. In this case, that this person actually appears to expect this kind of statement to be taken seriously bespeaks a rather palpable detachment from reality.

I haven't actually seen anything this good for several years now. Reminds of some of the crazier stuff I encountered from some of the more psychologically interesting anti-Mormon female posters in the first couple of years of this board's existence.

Real RFM stuff, that.

I'm not the only one to notice, and it is a reality. I've worked n business where the employees are 99% LDS and others where there are no LDS. Guess which businesses had more complaints to HR about sexual harassment?

[Guest]

Yes, even the college archaeology level course I took a year ago taught that the idea of "men were the great hunters protecting the meek and berry picking women" was a bias placed on archaeological research by men, and NOT accurate.

Yes, there are a few very obscure, tiny, isolated tribal/hunter gatherer societies which have had the woman going out and picking berries and the men staying home and weaving baskets.

The overwhelming tendencies, however, have been quite different, for thousands of years, for the vast majority of cultures that have existed.

For obvious reasons.

Just here, in the west desert of UT there is a well known cave with artifacts that indicate the women living there were hunting waterfowl and making shoes from woven reeds.

It is your bias that is obvious!

[_Chap]

My own experience, especially living in Utah, is that Mormon men have roots so firmly in their psych that they are gods,

.... <Droopy stuff> ...

I'm not the only one to notice, and it is a reality. I've worked n business where the employees are 99% LDS and others where there are no LDS. Guess which businesses had more complaints to HR about sexual harassment?

If Droopy's reality does not appear to correspond to yours, please do not adjust your set.

[_EAllusion]

You know, there are matriarchal cultures out there. Weird, I know. I guess Droopy thinks "serious anthropologists" deny their existence.

I, for one, am curious as to what immutable sexual differences exist between men and women across the world in Droopy's view. Men are better at math and women child rearing? What, specifically does he have in mind?

[_LDSToronto]

But feminism is an ideology, not a scientific or anthropologically serious analysis of anything.

So is Mormonism...

H.

[_Darth J]

But feminism is an ideology, not a scientific or anthropologically serious analysis of anything.

Droopy, given your demonstrated expertise of gender roles qua gender roles across thousands of years of human cultures, what do serious scientists and anthropologists think of the human race originating with a single breeding pair in Missouri circa 4,000 B.C.E.? Or Noah's ark? Or Egypt getting its name from a woman named Egyptus?

Since your understanding of gender roles across time and culture is firmly rooted in the Restored Gospel, I would just like some clarification as to a scientific or anthropologically serious analysis of anything.