Is Misogyny Alive and Well With Some TBMs?

[_madeleine]

In the mid 80's we were hiring an additional sys admin, one of the candidates made the comment to me that he had never met a sys admin who didn't have a beard.

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File that under "things to not say in a job interview".

Maybe you misunderstood his comment. Maybe he never met a sys admin who wasn't a closeted gay and had a female friend to cover for him.

Lol, the stories I could tell.

[_zeezrom]

Ugh. I still think what you guys are describing distills back to men doing "feminine" or womanly things. That is not misandry.

Yeah, I was sort of kidding about the misandry - as if we can really put that in the same category as historical mistreatment of women over the ages.

[_Darth J]

Ugh. I still think what you guys are describing distills back to men doing "feminine" or womanly things. That is not misandry.

Yeah, I was sort of kidding about the misandry - as if we can really put that in the same category as historical mistreatment of women over the ages.

There have been some important historical examples of accommodating the sexes, though.

For example, G.I. Joe had Scarlett and The Baroness and Lady Jaye. Strawberry Shortcake reciprocated by having Huckleberry Pie and the Purple Pie Man. I see these as major strides toward equal rights.

P.S. Yes, I am aware that The Baroness is on Cobra, not the G.I. Joe team itself.

[_zeezrom]

There have been some important historical examples of accommodating the sexes, though.

For example, G.I. Joe had Scarlett and The Baroness and Lady Jaye. Strawberry Shortcake reciprocated by having Huckleberry Pie and the Purple Pie Man. I see these as major strides toward equal rights.

P.S. Yes, I am aware that The Baroness is on Cobra, not the G.I. Joe team itself.

You know, I didn't pick up on that while watching these shows growing up.

Actually, I don't remember the Baroness... she must not have been as prominent as Huck pie and scarlett.

[_ludwigm]

Men in ancient Egypt wore skirts.

So did men all over Europe up until about the mid 17th century.

Even today...

Colonel Simon West
First Battalion, Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders
Howe Barracks, Canterbury, Kent
Tuesday 09 November 2004
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God save the Queen!

Remember that Scottish clans, although families, are also traditionally organized military units, and the kilt is a male military uniform designed for close quarters combat and surviving in a harsh outdoor environment.

[_Yoda]

Speaking of which, math and math heavy scientific disciplines are the last bastion of academia where woman do not, if not dominate, at least hold a majority. As woman have overtaken every other area of academia, what has happened is that women have outperformed men in secondary education, then grad school, and finally doctorates. The math disciplines have followed this trend as well, and now girls are destroying boys in math in secondary school and also outperforming at the undergraduate level. It's only a matter of a short while before they overtake that area of academia too if things continue as they are. I view this as a borderline crisis in how education is happening in the country, and I doubt Droopy is willing to argue this is simply because women are biologically predetermined to be intellectually superior to men on average. Point that out, and you might get social influence Droopy yet.

I work in a technology field, and have for my whole adult life. The first Microsoft conference I attended, I estimated the ratio of women there was 1:100. The more recent conferences I attend, it is more around 10:100. Discouraging. But it has gotten better. In the mid 80's we were hiring an additional sys admin, one of the candidates made the comment to me that he had never met a sys admin who didn't have a beard.

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File that under "things to not say in a job interview".

LOL! I hear ya, Madeline! I have also been working in the technology field for the last 12 years. I am the ONLY female Computer Science Instructor at my college in my department. When I sat for my MCSD (Microsoft Certified Systems Development) exams, I was the only female in the testing center. Women are still a huge minority in the Computer Information Technology field, and, unfortunately, I think a lot of the reason is the fact that many women just don't have the self confidence that they can do well in this type of field. My female students are amazed at themselves when they pick up on the programming concepts as quickly as they do. I think that we really need to work on encouraging young girls in math, and giving them the self confidence they need.

[_LDSToronto]

Well, my love for Just Me and Darth J notwithstanding, I respectfully disagree that the Church in general is misogynist. Sure, some of it's member are misogynist, but so are some of my neighbours.

If anything, I think the Church does a diservice to women by going out of their way to express how much women are revered. But I don't think the Church promotes violence towards women, exhibits a lack of trust in women, or treats women as sexual objects (this is debatable given remarks by leaders and teachings about modesty).

I don't think the church is equitable in it's treatment of women, but I also think the church is lacking when it comes to treatment of men who are not in leadership positions - so even Stevens...

H.

[_just me]

If anything, I think the Church does a diservice to women by going out of their way to express how much women are revered.

H.

Love you too, bb.

This point right here stems from the deification of motherhood or the cult of motherhood. It appeared for the second time around or right after WWII in an effort to get women back in the home and keep them out of the public sphere and workforce. Germany had a whole lot of amazing propoganda that sounded a lot like some of the things LDS GA's say from the pulpit. (See Women and Authority: Re-emerging Mormon Feminism for examples)

Putting women on a pedestal has the same effect as putting them under your feet. Telling a woman that she is too precious and glorious and spiritual to (choose anything from hold political office to vote to hold ecclesiastical office to be the CEO of a major corporation) is just as misogynistic as telling a woman she is too stupid to do those things.

[_Darth J]

Well, my love for Just Me and Darth J notwithstanding, I respectfully disagree that the Church in general is misogynist. Sure, some of it's member are misogynist, but so are some of my neighbours.

If anything, I think the Church does a diservice to women by going out of their way to express how much women are revered. But I don't think the Church promotes violence towards women, exhibits a lack of trust in women, or treats women as sexual objects (this is debatable given remarks by leaders and teachings about modesty).

I don't think the church is equitable in it's treatment of women, but I also think the church is lacking when it comes to treatment of men who are not in leadership positions - so even Stevens...

H.

Actually, Canada, you don't disagree with me, because what you said is what I think. The cultural attitude about single dads I mentioned comes from the Church overcompensating about how wonderful and righteous women are as a consolation prize for all the females in the Church combined having less ecclesiastical authority than any typical, random 12 year-old boy.

What the Church really is is paternalistic, and you are right that it is an equal opportunity paternalist.

[_just me]

What the Church really is is paternalistic, and you are right that it is an equal opportunity paternalist.

Truth!