Brigham Young the Socialist

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The only reason I moved back from Brazil (considered by many to be a "third world country") is because most of my family is in the USA and I wanted them to have a relationship with my children.

So why do so many Brazilians want to come to the USA and complain that we don't allow more of them to come be U.S. citizens? Brazil doesn't share a border with the U.S. Why wouldn't they try to go live in Portugal? It'd be an easier language barrier adjustment and whether it be the U.S. or Portugal, you still need to go by airplane.

Social democratic nations throughout Europe generally lead America in a number of quality of life categories.

Are they just more brutal than we are about not allowing more immigrants? If there is a world full of people who need a job, why don't they all flock to these European socialist states? Are they even allowed to do so?

If your're an American, chances are that you will make more money than you would if you lived in most European Liberal/Socialist Democracies.

You are also more likely to be shot, murdered, spend time in jail, work longer hours, get much less vacation time, have a shorter life and be less healthy. Your children will be more likely to die in infancy, be obese or have diabetes, and be less literate and educated.

You can't have it both ways. Working my life away is the lesser of two evils right now. It's a choice every individual must make. The only thing that can make it worse is to work my life away and have my wages seized in taxes to pay for those who don't work. That's why taxes make American people angry!

[_SteelHead]

Morar no Brazil e uma merda mas e b0m.

Morar no EU e b0m mas e uma merda.

I've offered to move to Brazil. Despite several aspects of life being easier there my (Brazilian) wife declines. Mostly because of the violence and crime, but there are other reasons.

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Ok, the thing translated my Portuguese b0m into "Book of Mormon" ;)

[_ajax18]

Ok, you're going to have to help me. I know spanish and Portuguese are close but I can't make out what you said.

Kevin how on earth did you make a living in Brazil? If you didn't have family attachments, would you consider going back to Spain where you served your mission to make a life for yourself? Would you even be permitted to do that? I'm not sure if Spain is controlled by the left or right but from what I've seen it seems to me that they have a very sharp divide in their distribution of wealth.

[_Kevin Graham]

Ok, you're going to have to help me. I know spanish and Portuguese are close but I can't make out what you said.

Kevin how on earth did you make a living in Brazil? If you didn't have family attachments, would you consider going back to Spain where you served your mission to make a life for yourself? Would you even be permitted to do that? I'm not sure if Spain is controlled by the left or right but from what I've seen it seems to me that they have a very sharp divide in their distribution of wealth.

I taught English at the University of Brazil, worked part time at the Embassy and then my wife and I started our own business when we moved to the beach. We started an English School. We did quite well actually. I enjoyed the relaxing atmosphere, of frequent vacations, healthy food, etc. I spent a lot of time coaching American football and the best part was the people. The downside to Brazil is the sense of security, but that changes depending on where you live. Crime happens, but you're not likely to get killed at gunpoint. Random thieves rarely kill their intended victims.

I didn't particularly like Spain, but maybe things have changed now. I was there 20 years ago.

But I did receive health care in Brazil when I broke my kneecap (playing football). I showed my passport only and never paid a dime for the treatment. The quality of health care, from my perspective, was top notch. Of course the facilities could have used a painting or a replaced wall here and there, but the doctors were knowledgeable and friendly and they loved the fact that I was an American who condescended to live in their "third world" country. They had all the necessary equipment to determine the break, to staple it back, etc. Had I had this accident in the USA without insurance I would have had to pay tens of thousands of dollars. With insurance, I would have had to pay a a few thousand.

[_ajax18]

Why didn't you like Spain? I just find it interesting because obviously few of the missionaries I served with cared to return to live in Colombia. I'd like to visit some people but it's just not worth it to me right now and I could never afford to miss the days of work. If you have money you're fine, but labor seems worthless there to me. Only capital can make money and the population grows way too fast to ever get enough capital to solve the problem. Incidentally you're right in that this is very much becoming the situation in the USA as well. More laborers means cheap labor.

[_SteelHead]

Kevin,
I've been to a non private hospital in Jampa (I think it was the Trauma hospital... it has been a while). While nice, it lacked a lot of the trauma equipment, and the diagnostic machines (MRI, cat, etc) items standard at most American hospitals. We gave them neck splints, and a ton of items considered disposable in US hospitals.

My perception with the Brazilian health care system, also indicates that if you are poor and have a terminal illness, your odds are not good. I could be wrong, but it seemed like treatment and surgery would be scheduled for so far out..... well you died, before you were cured.

[_SteelHead]

Morar no Brazil e uma merda mas e b0m.

Morar no EU e b0m mas e uma merda.

Life in Brazil, while crappy is good.

Life in the US, while good is crappy.

Meaning in the US you have all kinds of fancy things, house, car, clothes, restaurants, electronics etc..... you spend all of you time working, and not enjoying life.

In Brazil you may live in the favela, have only basic necessities, but life is good. You relax, go to the beach, play some football, dance, sing (eat, drink, and make merry).

And rich in Brazil is the best of both worlds, cuz there if you are rich.... well you are RICH.

[_ldsfaqs]

Not only that, but Hong Kong is by far the most Capitalist part of the world, second and third are Singapore and Taiwan.

So ldsfaqs, why don't conservatives move there?

Clearly you haven't noticed, but they ARE very Conservative country's.... Not in every way obviously, but a great deal, compared to many out there.

As to moving there, I prefer a little more "openness", nature, etc., less population.

And FYI, my ex was from Malaysia. I'm not a country bumpkin clinging to my guns and religion "buddy". I've lived and been many places. Had many different kinds of friends, all classes, races, morality, etc. I speak from knowledge and experience, but more so wisdom concerning it all. You however are a classical liberal anti-mormon elitist.

[_Drifting]

Not only that, but Hong Kong is by far the most Capitalist part of the world, second and third are Singapore and Taiwan.

So ldsfaqs, why don't conservatives move there?

Clearly you haven't noticed, but they ARE very Conservative country's.... Not in every way obviously, but a great deal, compared to many out there.

As to moving there, I prefer a little more "openness", nature, etc., less population.

And FYI, my ex was from Malaysia. I'm not a country bumpkin clinging to my guns and religion "buddy". I've lived and been many places. Had many different kinds of friends, all classes, races, morality, etc. I speak from knowledge and experience, but more so wisdom concerning it all. You however are a classical liberal anti-mormon elitist.

Have you considered the moon...

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Morar no Brazil e uma merda mas e b0m.

Morar no EU e b0m mas e uma merda.

Sometimes there is just no in between. The idea of a 40 hour week has become a joke. Who gets away with only working 40 hours? You either do it, or find yourself unemployed.

I'm surprised about Brazil though. My impression of Latin America was that you worked overtime as well, but you still didn't get paid much. And I don't see how these European socialist countries can offer that balanced lifestyle to everyone. They must have really good border security.