Peterson, Hamblin, Schryver Online Antics: Request for Help

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Drifting wrote:I think only Jensen has recognised that this is probably the biggest retention issue that they face. Sadly, the outcome of him speaking out was he got his marching orders.


Do you have a source for that? I have absolutely no doubt that several GAs were mortified to hear Jensen's candid comments, but I thought he was also at the typical age when emeritus status is granted?
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Drifting wrote:I think only Jensen has recognised that this is probably the biggest retention issue that they face. Sadly, the outcome of him speaking out was he got his marching orders.

I've heard this alluded to before, but could you give some more details? What exactly happened with Elder Jensen? I know about the discussion where he talked about the 'greatest apostasy since Kirtland' (paraphrasing), but I don't know much about what went on after that.

Edit: Just saw Cicero's post, so yeah, what he said.
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Cicero wrote:
Drifting wrote:I think only Jensen has recognised that this is probably the biggest retention issue that they face. Sadly, the outcome of him speaking out was he got his marching orders.


Do you have a source for that? I have absolutely no doubt that several GAs were mortified to hear Jensen's candid comments, but I thought he was also at the typical age when emeritus status is granted?


No source. Just me speaking as a man and based on seeing the rapid reduction in his role (removed from overseeing historian activities If I recall correctly) since articulating publicly that members were leaving in droves because the Church was pretty poor at telling the truth about its history and doctrines; all of which followed closely after he (on a personal basis) apologised to some gay members for the way the Church had treated them.

I think he was becoming too Christlike and they can't be letting that happen...
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DonBradley wrote:Hi EA,

My response to you expressing disgust that I'm grateful for being re-embraced was meant only to suggest that this wasn't one of them. To my mind, it has genuine disvalue.


What I was expressing disgust with is the tendency of certain people to treat apostates and critics poorly and the faithful well simply on the basis of that fact alone. That includes whether they'll consider you a friend, whether they'll read your arguments charitably, whether they will bite their tongue on criticizing you, etc. That this would happen in your case is entirely unsurprising to me and would be no different if you were a JW. I do not modify my behavior this way based on whether someone is an atheist. That would be utterly foreign to me. I find this behavior wrong and evocative of a cultish mentality. I think it creepy. That the warm embrace you received involved this and you seemed pleased by it was offputting to me, but I did not say it disgusted me. One of the common aspects of high maintenance faiths is the tendency to have intense ingroup loyalty/comradere and to treat outsiders well only insofar as they are seen as potential converts that are not a threat to the faith. I do not think you are like this, but we seem to greatly differ on how to comment on this behavior in others.

Perhaps the problem is that you don't understand that I'm not being disgusted by being reembraced or forgiven, but by you being treated well only as a condition of your continued loyalty to the faith. That you say DCP wasn't like this means something to me, but based on what I saw online, that certainly isn't true of everyone who reembraced you. Make no mistake, if you apostasize again and are openly critical of the LDS faith, you're going back to the shark tank. I view that kind of friendship as hollow.
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EAllusion wrote:Second, I spend approximately 10 hours a day 5 days a week improving the lives of the developmentally disabled and victims of TBI's. I could easily be doing something that paid more or offered more prestige, but I do not because I care about the cause. I think most people consider that laudable thing to do that falls in line with your condescending advice to find something more valuable and productive with my time to do. On the totem pole of bettering the human condition, I'm fairly certain that ranks well above studying Mormon history. I also am currently working on a political campaign. I also routinely read phil texts. Come to think of it, I'm a pretty busy guy.


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MsJack wrote:Garbo began posting here in fall of 2010, long before my misogyny thread. Even if she were a long-term sock puppet that William planned ahead on, I imagine he would have trotted her out long ago.

So no, I don't believe she is a sock.

Ludd, on the other hand, reeks of sock.

First of all, I want to thank you for the information about Daniel Peterson and Bill Hamblin that you linked to from your blog.

Second, my socks don't stink. :lol:

Lastly, I'm disappointed that no additional quotes from Peterson, Hamblin, and Schryver have been provided on this thread. I appreciate that so many of you dislike them for the things they have said online, but I still need the actual quotes and links! I'm sorry, but lame jokes about boobs and cheerleader pompoms and tatoos and "butthead" acrostics just don't cut it. I'm looking for things that go far beyond that kind of stuff.

I gave the link to this thread to my acquaintance who is looking for this information and he has been checking it out from time to time. Needless to say, he hasn't been that impressed with what he has seen so far. So I hope someone can get some really good stuff and post it.

Thanks..........
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Ludd wrote:
MsJack wrote:Ludd, on the other hand, reeks of sock.

Second, my socks don't stink. : lol:

You're mistaken. Take another sniff.
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Ludd wrote:First of all, I want to thank you for the information about Daniel Peterson and Bill Hamblin that you linked to from your blog.

Second, my socks don't stink. :lol:

Lastly, I'm disappointed that no additional quotes from Peterson, Hamblin, and Schryver have been provided on this thread. I appreciate that so many of you dislike them for the things they have said online, but I still need the actual quotes and links! I'm sorry, but lame jokes about boobs and cheerleader pompoms and tatoos and "butthead" acrostics just don't cut it. I'm looking for things that go far beyond that kind of stuff.

I gave the link to this thread to my acquaintance who is looking for this information and he has been checking it out from time to time. Needless to say, he hasn't been that impressed with what he has seen so far. So I hope someone can get some really good stuff and post it.

Thanks..........


You could look into what they did to Michael Quinn's career, including all the "we know more about this than we can tell" hints about Quinn's character, sexuality, and the reasons for his excommunication. Similarly, Kevin Graham has documented where Peterson did the same thing to Robert Ritner, saying that John Gee had him removed from his dissertation committee and that Ritner might be gay. I've already mentioned Schryver's creepy stalking and fantasizing about a woman he saw at the exmormon conference (the one he made the boob jokes about), and a friend I trust tells me Schryver stalked him for a long time and threatened him and his wife with violence.

The reason you're not finding any "good stuff" is that you're not looking very hard.

Looks like Schryver has shaved his beard:

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This last post by the OP confirms everyone's suspicions.
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Blixa wrote:This last post by the OP confirms everyone's suspicions.


This.

Looks like he may have lost the ponytail too.
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