William Hamblin is a Pathetic Coward

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Re: William Hamblin is a Pathetic Coward

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Kevin Graham wrote:http://mormonscriptureexplorations.wordpress.com/2012/07/13/defamation-the-apostate-grand-strategy/

Defamation: The Apostate Grand Strategy Jul 13
by Hamblin of Jerusalem

Defamation of the church and its members is hardly anything new. It began, in fact, before the church had even been formally organized in 1830, and has continued more or less unabated until today (see, for example, Givens, Viper on the Hearth, 1997). The current political campaign sometimes includes a subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) anti-Mormon undertones.

As I was walking on my way to class today, my department chairman laughingly told me he had received letters from several people denouncing me regarding the recent scandal at the Maxwell Institute–”the blogosphere is afire” he chuckled, adding he had ignored the letters. I suspect the same, or similar letters have also been written to my dean and the university president, and perhaps even a general authority.

What I find interesting about this brief encounter is that it represents what seems to have become a new standard operating procedure of apostates and anti-Mormons. If anyone dares to criticize them, publish a negative review, respond to their claims, or stand up to their attacks against the church and its members, the new standard apostate tactic is to relentlessly defame that person on their message boards, and to send defamatory letters to general authorities, work supervisors, editors, journalists–anyone who might listen to them. Their clear goal in this matter is to silence their critics by whatever means possible.

These letters are always anonymous and/or secret. Their victim rarely knows what is said about him by the apostates. The victim likewise has no chance to respond to the defamation. The apostates and anti-Mormons don’t, in fact want to engage the issues and ideas of their critics; their goal is to suppress and censor the publication of ideas they dislike, while defaming the authors. Indeed, the last thing they want is for the issues discussed openly and publicly in the marketplace of ideas. They rarely respond to the actual arguments; instead they claim their critics are nothing more than ad hominem bullies and liars.

They continue to do this because they believe these tactics have been successful in the past year. They have done it to Will Schryver, Greg Smith, Dan Peterson, and are now trying it on me. Undoubtedly anyone else who dares criticize them will be subjected to similar tactics in the future, because the apostates believe their tactics work. And perhaps they do.

On the other hand, I have obviously been critical of Jerry Bradford’s activities at the Maxwell Institute. However, I published my criticisms under my own name in a public forum, to which Bradford has had a full opportunity to respond if he’d like. I sent no letters to Bradford’s superiors at work, nor to any general authorities. I would never think of doing so. This simply represents a serious difference of opinion regarding the policies of the Maxwell Institute, playing out as an extended open public rational discourse and argument, not secret attempts at censorship and defamation.

My concern is not about public criticism of me by apostates and anti-Mormons. That is an integral part of the academic enterprise. The problem is the secret (and often anonymous) defamation of people through poison pen letters sent to general authorities, work supervisors, or journalists designed to suppress debate and censor and silence people who disagree with and criticize the apostates. In my opinion, these practices need to be publicly exposed and vigorously opposed.


Notice the anonymous defamation of me by Scratch, and picked up by Graham and a few others here of late? Daniel and Will are two classic cases of the past.

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MrStakhanovite wrote:
why me wrote:Will is becoming a hero

Please let this come true
Please let this come true
Please let this come true

If Will becomes a hero to Mormons everywhere, that becomes the second slam dunk.

Are you referring to the 4-chan meme "An Hero?"
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Re: William Hamblin is a Pathetic Coward

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Droopy wrote:
Kevin Graham wrote:http://mormonscriptureexplorations.wordpress.com/2012/07/13/defamation-the-apostate-grand-strategy/

Defamation: The Apostate Grand Strategy Jul 13
by Hamblin of Jerusalem

Defamation of the church and its members is hardly anything new. It began, in fact, before the church had even been formally organized in 1830, and has continued more or less unabated until today (see, for example, Givens, Viper on the Hearth, 1997). The current political campaign sometimes includes a subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) anti-Mormon undertones.

As I was walking on my way to class today, my department chairman laughingly told me he had received letters from several people denouncing me regarding the recent scandal at the Maxwell Institute–”the blogosphere is afire” he chuckled, adding he had ignored the letters. I suspect the same, or similar letters have also been written to my dean and the university president, and perhaps even a general authority.

What I find interesting about this brief encounter is that it represents what seems to have become a new standard operating procedure of apostates and anti-Mormons. If anyone dares to criticize them, publish a negative review, respond to their claims, or stand up to their attacks against the church and its members, the new standard apostate tactic is to relentlessly defame that person on their message boards, and to send defamatory letters to general authorities, work supervisors, editors, journalists–anyone who might listen to them. Their clear goal in this matter is to silence their critics by whatever means possible.

These letters are always anonymous and/or secret. Their victim rarely knows what is said about him by the apostates. The victim likewise has no chance to respond to the defamation. The apostates and anti-Mormons don’t, in fact want to engage the issues and ideas of their critics; their goal is to suppress and censor the publication of ideas they dislike, while defaming the authors. Indeed, the last thing they want is for the issues discussed openly and publicly in the marketplace of ideas. They rarely respond to the actual arguments; instead they claim their critics are nothing more than ad hominem bullies and liars.

They continue to do this because they believe these tactics have been successful in the past year. They have done it to Will Schryver, Greg Smith, Dan Peterson, and are now trying it on me. Undoubtedly anyone else who dares criticize them will be subjected to similar tactics in the future, because the apostates believe their tactics work. And perhaps they do.

On the other hand, I have obviously been critical of Jerry Bradford’s activities at the Maxwell Institute. However, I published my criticisms under my own name in a public forum, to which Bradford has had a full opportunity to respond if he’d like. I sent no letters to Bradford’s superiors at work, nor to any general authorities. I would never think of doing so. This simply represents a serious difference of opinion regarding the policies of the Maxwell Institute, playing out as an extended open public rational discourse and argument, not secret attempts at censorship and defamation.

My concern is not about public criticism of me by apostates and anti-Mormons. That is an integral part of the academic enterprise. The problem is the secret (and often anonymous) defamation of people through poison pen letters sent to general authorities, work supervisors, or journalists designed to suppress debate and censor and silence people who disagree with and criticize the apostates. In my opinion, these practices need to be publicly exposed and vigorously opposed.


Notice the anonymous defamation of me by Scratch, and picked up by Graham and a few others here of late? Daniel and Will are two classic cases of the past.

Yes, this is "The Posse," otherwise known as the Kevin Klux Klan, otherwise known as Mr. Scratch, otherwise known as anti-Mormonism, otherwise known as Mormondiscussions.com


Once again, your reading comprehension isn't quite up to par. Do you not know who wrote that post? Kevin just put it here, but it's a blog post; it didn't originate here.
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MrStakhanovite wrote:STOP GANG BANGING ME WHEN I GO AGAINST BOARD ORTHODOXY


OK, I guess I deserved that.
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MrStakhanovite wrote:STOP GANG BANGING ME WHEN I GO AGAINST BOARD ORTHODOXY

Okay.

Next time, I'll at least buy you dinner first.
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Kishkumen wrote: So, to see him come up with this tripe about unsubstantiated letters of complaint against him, which, by the way, were entirely unsuccessful, if they ever existed at all, in order to posit this fantastical notion of an orchestrated campaign by the dark forces of apostasy is silly.


Who was it who contacted Tom Murphy's boss at his college? Tried to get him fired? or was it to make sure he didn't get his degree?
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Re: Hamblin Strikes Back

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These idiots just can't seem to grasp the fact that they are their own worst enemies and the people who are getting them in "trouble" with Church authorities are in fact, other Mormons.


CFR

I mean really, why would any apostate expect Church authorities to care what they think?


What who thinks? I can think of any number of polemical tactical reasons why public, active bigots would want church authorities to devour their own children.

This just goes down as another example of Bill's pathetic denial.


Closer would be your own feverish delusions of credibility.

And of course, he can't just let things die down. He has to keep bringing attention to himself as some kind of poor persecuted martyr.


I don't see that he's done that at all.

I love the way he relays his unverifiable account...


Right, much like John Dehlin's grab bag of unverifiable stories about General Authorities an unpublished NMI papers.

of yet another BYU scholar laughing at those idiot anti-Mormons/apostates. He pulled this crap on Facebook too, claiming that whenever he talked to Bradford, all he does is talk about how anti-Mormon apostates are just a bunch of idiots who don't deserve their attention.


Idiocy is only the surface film.

He said this on Kerry Shirts' Facebook wall. When I asked him if Bradford would appreciate him speaking on his behalf in such a manner, he immediately shut his pie hole and told Kerry that he needed to "defriend" me.


Kerry appears to now be the baby Richard Dawkins of the mad, mad, mad, mad world of the Utah Mormon avant garde intelligentsia. If he's your friend, that would appear to be yet another brownie point for Bro. Shirts, who I do hope will, yet again, return to the fold in due time.

I mentioned this to Brian Hauglid and he said he is friends with Bradford, and that he has never known him to act or speak that way about apostates/anti-Mormons and Bill's account is completely out of character for him. Bill is such a pathetic soul.


Or you're a lying weasel.

Bill is trying so hard to get support from other BYU scholars outside the Maxwell misfits.




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Let's clear this up once and for all: Who on this board wants to suppress anything that Schryver wants to publish? Anyone? If so, please explain why.
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Cicero wrote:Let's clear this up once and for all: Who on this board wants to suppress anything that Schryver wants to publish? Anyone? If so, please explain why.


I just want to see his ponytail donated to Locks For Love.
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Droopy wrote:
I mean really, why would any apostate expect Church authorities to care what they think?


What who thinks? I can think of any number of polemical tactical reasons why public, active bigots would want church authorities to devour their own children.

Devour their own children? How does that even relate to the first statement?

This just goes down as another example of Bill's pathetic denial.


Closer would be your own feverish delusions of credibility.

I know you are but what am I! Neener neener!

I love the way he relays his unverifiable account...


Right, much like John Dehlin's grab bag of unverifiable stories about General Authorities an unpublished NMI papers.

Oh, come on, Dan Peterson, Bill Hamblin and a number of other people have confirmed that there was definitely a paper that was pulled from publication. As for the GA, no one can verify that, but whatever happened, the paper remains unpublished.

Bill is trying so hard to get support from other BYU scholars outside the Maxwell misfits.


You can't fire us we quit!
We just don't fit in...

Is that supposed to be a rebuttal?
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