Advocating since 2001 that Lucy was a principal founder of Mormonism.
Yours,
Zee.
Advocating since 2001 that Lucy was a principal founder of Mormonism.
zeezrom wrote:Might you be so kind as to please expound on your sig?Advocating since 2001 that Lucy was a principal founder of Mormonism.
Yours,
Zee.
Cicero wrote:I think Lulu's 8 is a bit of an understatement. Brigham Young once called her memoir a "tissue of lies" and actually ordered members of the church to destroy all copies of it.
lulu wrote:7. While Lucy was not Joseph's only teacher of the faculty of abrac, she was one of them. Lucy, the rest of the family, which includes, Joseph Smith, Jr. use the faculty of abrac to get pure religion directly from heaven. But Lucy was the family leader before Joseph Smith became of age.
sock puppet wrote:lulu wrote:7. While Lucy was not Joseph's only teacher of the faculty of abrac, she was one of them. Lucy, the rest of the family, which includes, Joseph Smith, Jr. use the faculty of abrac to get pure religion directly from heaven. But Lucy was the family leader before Joseph Smith became of age.
Of course, the 'faculty of abrac' topic by Lucy is also the topic of an asschat FAIR excerpt from Billy Hamblin's FARMS review of Quinn's Early Mormonism and the Magic World View, revised and enlarged edition, by D. Michael Quinn, FARMS Review of Books 12/2 (2000): 225–394. See here.
When Lucy was explaining that the Smith family did not focus so much on magic that their farm was neglected (to refute then current claims that the Smiths were lazy farm tenants), she did not deny that in the Smiths' spare time (after those farm chores had been attended to) that they were involved in the magic--just that their involvement in the magic was not so obsessive and consuming as to cause the Smiths to neglect those farm chores, to be 'lazy.' Of course in the apologetic pea-brain of Bill Hamblin, he inflates that to be Lucy denying that the Smith's were engaged in the 'faculty of abrac', despite so many other instances of magic (black, folk, or otherwise) permeating the Smiths', and in particular JSJr's, conduct.
Would Hamblin be able to resist twisting the plain and obvious truth if his very existence depended upon so resisting? I doubt it.
lulu wrote:Cicero wrote:I think Lulu's 8 is a bit of an understatement. Brigham Young once called her memoir a "tissue of lies" and actually ordered members of the church to destroy all copies of it.
But my question is, what does that say about Lucy and the creation of Mormonism?
Cicero wrote:I think Lulu's 8 is a bit of an understatement. Brigham Young once called her memoir a "tissue of lies" and actually ordered members of the church to destroy all copies of it.
lulu wrote:But my question is, what does that say about Lucy and the creation of Mormonism?
Cicero wrote:Broadly speaking, I think it had more to do with Lucy's failure to support Brigham Young then anything else.
CaliforniaKid wrote: It's also worth noting that a family tradition said there would be a prophet in the family, and the mantle seems to have fallen on first on Alvin and then on Joseph Jr. after Alvin's death. Joseph Sr. had a similar interest in the project, and bragged about it to his neighbors. Joseph Sr.'s brother Jesse seems to have regarded him as a major player in the fraud, and all but accused him of having constructed a lead book and passed it off as gold. Joseph Sr.'s prophetic dreams also provided some of the Book of Mormon's material. Lucy, for her part, eventually expected to display the plates for 25 cents per viewing. She later did precisely this with the Book of Abraham papyri. The Book of Mormon, in short, was a religious, financial, and social boon for the entire family, so they all had reason to be excited about and perhaps actively involved in the project.