Shades, its time to restore the thread

[_Dr. Shades]

The original thread that was removed was in the Terrestrial forum, correct?

Yes.

I'm tried of only seeing Nort in the telestial where I have to put up with Paul's filth, like it or not, if I want to respond to Nort.

If you don't wish to put up with Paul's filth, then I recommend putting him on ignore. That way, you won't see his posts. To do so, click on the "Profile" button to the lower-left of any of his posts, then under his user avatar, click the link titled "Add Foe." Presto!

I'm asking the moderators to restore the original thread, and moderate it as needed to keep it terrestrial.

Some parts were flat-out Telestial. "Moderate as needed to keep it Terrestrial" would require out and out censorship. In such a case, it's better to just move it to the Telestial Forum anyway.

I just don't get you Shades. I'm losing more and more respect for you daily over this issue ... what gives?

"What gives" is that my default mode is to honor agreements. If that entails losing some of your respect, then so be it.

But I'll meet you half way: If Nortinski gives me the O.K. to restore the threads, then I'll do it.

[_RockSlider]

"What gives" is that my default mode is to honor agreements. If that entails losing some of your respect, then so be it.
But I'll meet you half way: If Nortinski gives me the O.K. to restore the threads, then I'll do it.

And what about honoring your agreement with the whole community to maintain a free speech environment? I heard that when you first started this board, that Nort was one of the first two posters to post here and that he did not post on ZLMB. It was then assumed, by those here at the time, that there is a close in real life relationship between him and you. Nort, I mentioned this a few times and you blow it off. Can you not see you have put your friend in a bad position and "have been making a fool of him" in this context?

Shades I do appreciate your honoring this agreement, especially after what appears as being immediately dumped on after making it. I also appreciate your willingness to restore the thread if relieved of whatever commitment you have made to Nort.

Man up Nort.

[_Infymus]

Rockslider - I believe it was moved because it contained a link to temple content. Temple content here is a big taboo because you can discuss anything you want about Mormonism - just not the actual temple ceremonies.

For me the issue is that [Nortinski (real name deleted)] is an extremist. His actions lead to arrests and legal issues. It is the primary reason that I distanced myself from him early in 2005. His tactics and motives scare most people off. There is open verbal disagreement with the Mormon Cult but even I believe they have the right to do whatever they want. My position has been to educate and provide information for people to make proper decisions about either staying in or joining Mormonism. While I have all of the temple ceremonies fully documented - that particular topic isn't active nor published on my site.

I also believe that Nortinski and Noah are one and the same. He is currently trolling Reddit, PM, RFM, MDB and any other place he can get attention.

And as to Romney - while he might have video of temple ceremonies, I don't believe he has anything at all. All this is is attention seeking. All Mike has to do is provide a still frame png/jpg of one scene on his video depicting Romney and I'll recant.

Romney is a full candidate for President and thus receives full Secret Service protection. If Mike has anything on Romney with the Mormon temple, he is going to open a can of worms on himself that could take months to unravel. But come to think of it, Mike loves to invite this kind of attention on himself. He doesn't mind being cuffed and arrested and have restraining orders placed against him.

Again for me it is a firm reminder to avoid him.

[_Yoda]

All Mike has to do is provide a still frame png/jpg of one scene on his video depicting Romney and I'll recant.

Yes, but, Infy, as a fellow computer geek, you know, as well as I do, how easy it would be for Nort to simply digitize a picture of Romney in the temple, even if he really wasn't there.

I have no doubt that Nort has legitimate temple footage. He has obviously proven that. I just don't believe that he actually has footage of Romney going through a session. My thought is that he has probably digitized Romney and placed him in the temple service. Think about it. Romney has lived primarily in Mass. He did spend some time in SLC when he helped with the olympics, but I find it doubtful that he actually had time to do a session while he was working there.

[_Infymus]

True Liz, true. It is probably all just attention seeking.

I'm paying attention to the threads here, on Reddit, PM, RFM and elsewhere and Norton is vehemently attacking anyone who disagrees with his extremist methods - and touting that he has lawyers who are ready to fight an organization with infinite funds should it be required.

I think it is best to just back away slowly.

[_Nomomo]

While I have all of the temple ceremonies fully documented - that particular topic isn't active nor published on my site.

Are there any known instances of where the Church has threatened or pursued legal action or the shutting down of a website due to temple ceremony content?

[_Infymus]

Are there any known instances of where the Church has threatened or pursued legal action or the shutting down of a website due to temple ceremony content?

I have never seen it, ever. The Tanners were sued but only due to having the CHI on their site, then linking to the CHI on another site.

Richard Packham has had the temple ceremonies up for years. There are a lot of other sites that also have them up.

I'm no attorney and my knowledge of copyright is limited to my own material and my website - but I think if they copyright the actual words to the ceremonies then it becomes public - and they would have to provide disclosure of said words to prove copyright.

lol, God needs to copyright the way he handshakes.

I used to have the ceremonies up on the MC, but decided to take them down in 2006. Felt it wasn't really the focus of the MC.

[_Equality]

I'd like to know whether the treatment Nortinski received is special. That is, can any poster request that an entire thread be removed and Shades will remove it until given permission by the poster to put it back? Or is this a one-off thing? Does Nortinski have veto power over all his own threads or just this one?

[_Newnamenoah]

...and Norton is vehemently attacking anyone who disagrees with his extremist methods

Please provide links to said "vehement" attacks by Nortinski to "anyone who disagrees" with him. I view this claim with great suspicion.

Noah 1/7 (Nortinski's sock puppet)

[_RockSlider]

I'd like to know whether the treatment Nortinski received is special. That is, can any poster request that an entire thread be removed and Shades will remove it until given permission by the poster to put it back? Or is this a one-off thing? Does Nortinski have veto power over all his own threads or just this one?

It appears that ...

Noah 1/7
Shades 2/7

Maybe the whole "temple committee" needs to vote on how this topic is handled here on this free speech board.

So what is it Nort ... can Shades restore the thread?