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[_Darth J]

Plan on buying one of those Hugo Boss suits, Lee? How about some Gucci loafers at Nordstrom?

I think City Creek is a great example of looking out for the spiritual welfare of the poor.

ETA: Here's a Hugo Boss suit that costs $1,095.00:

http://store-us.hugoboss.com/Modern-Fit ... edium-Blue

Think of all the poor people this will bring to a knowledge of the Savior.

[_Drifting]

Further, you clearly know nothing about what it's like to be poor. You don't know what it's like to have to go to a Construction type job, or otherwise every day, be in pain every single day, having to soak in a tub every single day in order to try and get some relief from the days work (outside of ones washing), IF you are even lucky to have a tub, most aren't.

You haven't a clue what you are talking about..... There most certainly IS a segment of humanity that meets what is being described by the Church. There ARE many who need a lift Temporally before or while they are lifted spiritually!

Step outside of your anti-mormon hatred and learn something for a change!

You are quite right.
Now explain how the $5 billion dollar, non profit making, investment in an upscale shopping centre with associated offices and condo's addresses this type of temporal issue?

[_TrashcanMan79]

Matthew 6:25,31-34

25 Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?

...

31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?

32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.

33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.

When quoting things, you need to learn about this thing called CONTEXT.....

These scriptures are specifically in referrence to those being called as "missionary's", ministers of the Faith.

In what verse does it say this?

[_malkie]

Plan on buying one of those Hugo Boss suits, Lee? How about some Gucci loafers at Nordstrom?

I think City Creek is a great example of looking out for the spiritual welfare of the poor.

ETA: Here's a Hugo Boss suit that costs $1,095.00:

http://store-us.hugoboss.com/Modern-Fit ... edium-Blue

Think of all the poor people this will bring to a knowledge of the Savior.

As usual, Darth J, you are completely missing the point.

You need to think about the people who are employed at Hugo Boss - they are amongst the many who need a lift Temporally before or while they are lifted spiritually!

There must be thousands of people who now have jobs in downtown SLC.

For the sake of argument, let's imagine that there are 5000 such people.

For a mere $1000,000 per person, the LDS church, through this investment, has lifted them temporally, so that they can now join the church.

If that's not an efficient use of funds to give a temporal boost to the starving millions of the world, I don't know what is.

Now that we have the proof of concept, we just need to wait for the church to scale this up by a factor of several thousand and they will have solved world poverty.

Put your shoulder to the wheel, why don't you, instead of just criticising those who are doing it the lord's way!

[_harmony]

You need to think about the people who are employed at Hugo Boss - they are amongst the many who need a lift Temporally before or while they are lifted spiritually!

Yes, I'm sure Hugo Boss employs the homeless and unskilled.

Right.

[_Infymus]

Further, you clearly know nothing about what it's like to be poor. You don't know what it's like to have to go to a Construction type job, or otherwise every day, be in pain every single day, having to soak in a tub every single day in order to try and get some relief from the days work (outside of ones washing), IF you are even lucky to have a tub, most aren't.

You haven't a clue what you are talking about..... There most certainly IS a segment of humanity that meets what is being described by the Church. There ARE many who need a lift Temporally before or while they are lifted spiritually!

Step outside of your anti-mormon hatred and learn something for a change!

Faqs, you assume everyone must be so unlike you. Some of us have gone through more suffering than you can comprehend - myself being one of them. Don't accuse people of not understanding poverty or suffering unless you truly know they don't.

I wonder what the Cult leaders would think of someone soaking themselves in the $million + dollar trout filled creek on a hot summer day.

You don't need to tell me that a person can be poor and spiritual.

Keith B. McMullin, head of Deseret Management Corporation (DMC):

“We believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.”

Actually, poor people can't be spiritual according to brother McMullin.

[_brade]

My wife was in Utah recently and went shopping at the new mall. We like to do our part to advance the mission of the church and help solve world hunger. You're welcome starving people of the world.

[_Madison54]

Every member of my family who is still TBM thinks the new mall is just wonderful. They will probably never even see this article about church finances.

That's the frustration here. Overall I believe those who should read and open their eyes to the truth won't even see it. The same goes for most of the other information coming out because of the spotlight on the Mormon church right now.

[_Big Red]

This is a conversation I had with a TBM cousin on Facebook yesterday. While I agree that the cover of the magazine was in poor taste and they completely missed an opportunity to make a valid point and inform people, including Mormons, the article itself seemed to be pretty accurate. in my opinion - your mileage may vary.

TBM Cousin: It's one thing to do an article on a religion. It's another thing to mock it on the cover of a magazine. Seriously - does Businessweek really think that they are balanced and unbiased? I think not.

Me: Did you actually read the article?

Me:I really don't think J.S. set out for the church he founded to become such a corporation with its concerns more focused on wealth and money than serving those in need. Sad indeed.
tbm cousin: There is a lot of unsung stories of serving others, Kellie. The Catholic Charities and the LDS church work together on many, many disasters. In fact, they are the first ones that are contacted in many instances. It's not perfect, but no one is.

me:I do believe that members mistake much and are likely to blindly accept and follow. It is the church itself that said how much CASH of the monies collected from members that has been given to charities. It is less than 1% (right around 0.7%). The additional service and money given directly BY MEMBERS has nothing to do with how much of the collected monies the church takes in. Any 501(c)3 organization would lose its tax exempt status with such dismal numbers.

The church has become a for profit corp. If there really was a prophet instead of profit, why are none of these disasters for seen? Why are the members expected to clean the bathrooms and church buildings? Why are there so many talks about paying your tithing and giving more money to fast offerings? Why must one pay for the privilege of going to receive 'the most important ordinances' given to man.

Why are there members that are losing everything they own after years of paying tithing, yet when assistance is needed it is denied? Why does the church claim such poverty yet the leaders live in lavish homes. Why can they afford to build a $5 billion dollar project that largely looks like a great a spacious building that only the very wealthy could ever afford to live in? Why are all the current 'leaders' all very wealthy businessmen?

Where have the teachings of Jesus gone??? Where has serving the poor gone? Why do tens of thousands missionaries go out at their own expense, and every day tell others that their beliefs are wrong? Why has the true history of the church been whitewashed and leaders have been known to say things like 'some things that are true are not useful'? Why do they teach to just give 'milk' but not the meat?

Why are they losing hundreds of thousands of members every year by resignation? Many of them in very high positions? Why do so many young men come home from missions and then leave the church? Why is there such a huge underground of members on the records that are serving but that do not believe?

Why don't most members of the church even know that Joseph Smith had at least 33 wives 11 of which were under the age of 19, two of which were only 14 - including Helen Mar Kimbal, and 11 of which already had husbands? Why does the papyrus of the Book of Abraham translate as a book of breathings - or in other words a common burial prayer? Why are there absolutely NO archaeological records of anything from the Book of Mormon? Why do doctrines keep changing? It is all very curious.

tbm cousin: You need to go back to the conference talks and read them. Much of what is going on has been foreseen, and has been discussed. How many times have we been told to have a year's supply of food, as there is much danger ahead? How many times have we been told to stay out of debt? How many times have we been told to help others, and examples have been shown? Why does it have to be spelled out word for word about what is going to happen?

tbm cousin: Having toured several of the latin American countries, I see indications of the Book of Mormon history. How can a person write about the people down there, and the geography, and come up with all of that?

me: I have read all the talks I was a true believer for many years until I read the true history and things crumbled. When I say why is there no prophecy I'm talking about why is there never a warning from the prophet that a tsunami is going to happen - why no warning of earth quakes? Why do hundreds of thousands die with no prophecy of these things in a useful way??? It's easy to say - be prepared there may be a disaster. Any Mor(m)on could do that. Furthermore why oh why would a loving God make his one true church available to only 1/100th of one percent of the population??? Why is the prophet more concerned with how many ear piercings we have and why is it ok for an uneducated bishop to have a private interview with a girl only 12 years old and as ask her if she masturbates??? Why are Mormons okay with this? Why are Mormons afraid to learn the real history of the church? Why is it about money money money so much?
mw: Why can't anyone give me a direct, specific answer to any of the questions I asked?


She said I was spouting negative things about the church on her wall, that it was ugly and she didn't want it anymore - she deleted the thread. No one answered any of my questions. However, she did not unfriend me.

[_Madison54]

Hi Big Red,
All great questions to which TBMs have no good answers......thus they respond exactly like your cousin did. They are in such denial. But I always have to remind myself that I was a lot like that not that many years ago.