maklelan wrote:So you acknowledge that pretty much everyone here is just crafting more and less elaborate cheap shots.
This isn't nonstop cheap shots, though you might think so if you read only Droopy's posts. I lurked for a long time here and learned a great deal about the church and how it works. The cheap shots are common but to say that's all that happens here is itself a cheap shot.
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bcspace wrote:I have a hard time understanding why you paid tithing at all in the first place.
Because the LDS leadership over the years made the paying of tithing doctrinally mandatory. It is doctrinally impossible according to LDS teachings to reach the potential of Mormon claims of exaltation or to participate in its ordinances; baptizing of own children, participation in temple ceremonies etc, without paying money to the LDS church.
A person is first indoctrinated by their upbringing to believe that Mormonism is "true" and then they are extorted by that indoctrination to believe that tithing is mandatory for personal salvation.
A nifty little trick.
BCspace- There is no God who requires us to pay money (to anyone one or any organization) to reach at-one-ment with God-higher self..or whatever an individual perceives as a higher power. You would know that if you weren't indoctrinated the way that you are.
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Bob Loblaw wrote:Who says it's unusual? I said it because Cicero seemed to be under the mistaken belief that bcspace's comment was anything other than a cheap shot. That's not unique to the spaceman, but it's best to realize before you attempt a serious discussion that you realize what the other person is doing.
So you acknowledge that pretty much everyone here is just crafting more and less elaborate cheap shots.
Mormonism is such an easy target, cheap shots hit the mark. No need for sophisticated analysis, criticism and discussion.
LDSToronto wrote: Well I'm not, so I'm not. I'm actually a poor African Mormon who has sent his sons away to earn a few thousand dollars so our family can travel to the temple and be exalted in the highest degree of glory. My boys will return in a few years from the diamond mines with a meagre amount. Unfortunately, I also have an E.coli infection due to the water quality in my village. The missionaries were by to assure me God gives me this blessing to make me stronger. I sure wish God had blessed me with a mall or a water filtration system instead.
H.
And your point is? If the church gave one billion to africa do you really think that it will any difference? How much has gone to africa and yet, the conditions are still the same. We just need to look at Bob Geldorf and band aid. Many band aids are still needed and all that money went into the garbage can. And look at haiti. Billions were collected for haiti and what has happened? Not much. True, this is unfortunate but such is corruption. However, to teach people skills to work and provide employment is definitely a good way to do charity.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
sock puppet wrote:mak, have you taken the prophet's clarion call and gone shopping at the City Creek Mall yet?
Have you? What mall did you shop at last week? If you are an american, going to the mall for a bite to eat or to do some shopping is normal. And if one lives in europe, it is the same. Malls are a way of life for many people. It is a good investment and it is providing work. If your son or daughter were working at the mall, you would be grateful for that mall. What should have happened to that property? What should have been done in that area?
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
sock puppet wrote:Mormonism is such an easy target, cheap shots hit the mark. No need for sophisticated analysis, criticism and discussion.
So said the mobs of yesteryear and look where we are today.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
Bob Loblaw wrote: This isn't nonstop cheap shots, though you might think so if you read only Droopy's posts. I lurked for a long time here and learned a great deal about the church and how it works. The cheap shots are common but to say that's all that happens here is itself a cheap shot.
Since its very inception the LDS church has taken cheap shots and some real shots too. There is no reason to believe that it will stop anytime soon. Cheap shots are happening on many discussion forums about the LDS church. They are also happening on catholic boards when they discuss Mormonism and on EV boards etc. What to do with people who wish to see the church fall? Nothing. Sadly, all religions can take cheap shots. In fact, many organizations can take cheap shots. It is just the way of life these days. But it does seem that a lot of attention is directed against the Mormons.
I intend to lay a foundation that will revolutionize the whole world. Joseph Smith We are “to feed the hungry, to clothe the naked, to provide for the widow, to dry up the tear of the orphan, to comfort the afflicted, whether in this church, or in any other, or in no church at all…” Joseph Smith
why me wrote:Since its very inception the LDS church has taken cheap shots and some real shots too. There is no reason to believe that it will stop anytime soon. Cheap shots are happening on many discussion forums about the LDS church. They are also happening on catholic boards when they discuss Mormonism and on EV boards etc. What to do with people who wish to see the church fall? Nothing. Sadly, all religions can take cheap shots. In fact, many organizations can take cheap shots. It is just the way of life these days. But it does seem that a lot of attention is directed against the Mormons.
LDSToronto wrote: Well I'm not, so I'm not. I'm actually a poor African Mormon who has sent his sons away to earn a few thousand dollars so our family can travel to the temple and be exalted in the highest degree of glory. My boys will return in a few years from the diamond mines with a meagre amount. Unfortunately, I also have an E.coli infection due to the water quality in my village. The missionaries were by to assure me God gives me this blessing to make me stronger. I sure wish God had blessed me with a mall or a water filtration system instead.
H.
And your point is? If the church gave one billion to africa do you really think that it will any difference? How much has gone to africa and yet, the conditions are still the same. We just need to look at Bob Geldorf and band aid. Many band aids are still needed and all that money went into the garbage can. And look at haiti. Billions were collected for haiti and what has happened? Not much. True, this is unfortunate but such is corruption. However, to teach people skills to work and provide employment is definitely a good way to do charity.
Then the church should have built the billion dollar mall in Africa, malls being these amazing conduits of charity that they are. Why did Salt Lake City need this "charity" more than Africa or Haiti