Too Easy A Target

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_keithb
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Re: Too Easy A Target

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Ernst Blofeld wrote:
Darth J wrote:In my personal opinion, The Lord of the Rings is the least implausible choice between itself, Star Trek, Star Wars, and Harry Potter.


Of course, all of those are well known fictions. The Book of Mormon and the rest of the standard works are not.


I think that most of the people in the world (myself included) would disagree.
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Darth J wrote:
Ernst Blofeld wrote:In my personal opinion, I think the LDS Church makes the strongest claim of all the established religions of the world. Nothing is more provocative or daunting than the words of Joseph Smith, and as history as played out, nothing is more vindicated.


In my personal opinion, The Lord of the Rings is the least implausible choice between itself, Star Trek, Star Wars, and Harry Potter.


All religions are based on fiction, but Mormonism is the Plan 9 from Outer Space of religions.
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Re: Too Easy A Target

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DarkHelmet wrote:All religions are based on fiction


FICTION is a modern concept. Typical of the anti-mormon, you can't help but be ANACHRONISTIC
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Re: Too Easy A Target

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Ernst,
Why is your religion better than my personal relationship with Exu?
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Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality.
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sock puppet wrote:Mormonism is the Swiss cheese of religions--full of holes.

Is Mormonism too easy of a target to be the topic of prolonged, serious discussion?


Getting back to the OP, our dear friend Madeline tells me that my research on Mormonism goes far beyond what is necessary to disprove it. However, my contention is that there are malignancies within Mormonism. Since Mormonism is a product of this country, and continues to influence it, there is a malignancy in the US. And once I resolved my anger, since I have spent so much time on it, I just continue. More of a hobby, now. :mrgreen: Although I check the polls daily. :lol:

Ernst-- you avatar looks like a cross between George Bush and Barack Obama. LOL again.
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Ernst Blofeld wrote:In my personal opinion, I think the LDS Church makes the strongest claim of all the established religions of the world. Nothing is more provocative or daunting than the words of Joseph Smith, and as history as played out, nothing is more vindicated.


At the judgment day, you will stand before L. Ron Hubbard and regret ever having said that.
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SteelHead wrote:Ernst,
Why is your religion better than my personal relationship with Exu?


Or my devout belief in in the god Pele?
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Re: Too Easy A Target

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sock puppet wrote:Is Mormonism too easy of a target to be the topic of prolonged, serious discussion?


Let me rephrase that to the question you should have asked: "Is Mormonism too easy of target for prolonged, serious attacks?"

The answer is yes and no. While the end result is not as satisfying as a combination of anti-compulsive medications and electroshock therapy, these prolonged attacks are far less costly to an already overburdened health care industry.
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Re: Too Easy A Target

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MCB wrote:
Ernst-- you avatar looks like a cross between George Bush and Barack Obama. LOL again.


Yeah right?
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo

Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. - The Dude

Don't you know there ain't no devil, there's just god when he's drunk - Tom Waits
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Re: Too Easy A Target

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Aristotle Smith wrote:
The problem is that most Mormons have a vested interest in seeing all religions as equally crazy or sane.


While that may be true, it is also a true view of most religions compared to Mormonism. The rest of Christianity is certainly equally crazy or sane. Mormonism is just a different version of Christianity, and mostly based on Christianity

I think this is one of the unquestioned assumptions that most ex-Mormons continue to believe after they have left. As a believer (who is no longer Mormon) this has bothered me for a long time.


But it is a correct view.

My thinking basically is that unless you start with naturalism as your default view of the world, it's actually very difficult to falsify most religious claims.


I agree, and it shows why I am correct for my statements above.

There are exceptions to this, and Mormonism is one of those exceptions.


I agree, and this is really the difference Mormonism has from most other religions. It can and has been falsified. Joseph made many claims that were not as falsifiable in his day, but definitely are today.

The real bind comes down to the fact that on pretty much any worldview, Mormon claims are falsifiable and have been falsified. But, believing Mormons fail to see this and unbelieving ex-Mos tend not to appreciate how unique this situation is.


I think most ex-mos do see it even if they don't stay with some other christian group. Christianity is only harder to falsify then Mormonism.
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