Greg Smith's Defense of Boyd K. Packer

[_Shulem]

PMy guess is that they may be leaning toward the idea that homosexuality may indeed be innate, but still overcomeable. At least, the whole "you can be a gay Mormon as long as you never have sex with anyone you love and never masturbate, and never kiss passionately, hold hands with, or in any other way express physical attraction to a person of the gender you are attracted to" seems to be evidence of this.

Been there done that. Lived the lie and was married for 20 years in the temple while all along I just wanted to be with a man.

Go figure. Listen to the scientists. They are figuring it out and reporting the truth. Religion is still trying to suppress and control.

Paul O

[_consiglieri]

Yeah, God is our Heavenly Father and is straight and would never make one of his children have actual gay tendencies because he loves us too much to do something so aweful as that. So, he just let's his children get tempted with homosexual thoughts from Satan but never no tendencies that are inborn or naturally genetic to that person. No, not that. For heaven's sake, God is straight!

Riiiiiight, Packer.

Paul O

Do you think it possible God is omnisexual?

[_Bob Loblaw]

Do you think it possible God is omnisexual?

Wasn't it Blake Ostler who said God had a more liberal sense of morality than we do? If that's true then God can be as OK with homosexuality and bisexuality as he is with polygamy or sneaking off to the barn to mess with Fanny.

[_Shulem]

Do you think it possible God is omnisexual?

I don't know that there is a god. Certainly the god of the Bible and Book of Mormon does not exist -- that god is a monster and should I ever meet up with him, I'll kill him myself and slit his throat with a knife when his back is turned. I hate that bastard. The god of the Bible needs to be crucified and strung up. He's pure evil.

Paul O

[_palerobber]

I am at a loss as to why those with a homosexual agenda hail the change.

Deseret News 10/8/2010

The official text of the October general conference address by President Boyd K. Packer, president of the LDS Church's Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, was posted online Friday afternoon with acknowledged amendments, but not the type or magnitude of revisions gay-rights activists have called for in protests and petitions since the talk was given Sunday.

[_moksha]

No one's ever shown criticism of the Church in this (or any) area to be valid or of any significance.

First of all no one saw the candidate eat the rat and second there is no evidence that rats are not nutritious.

[_Shulem]

bcspace is a troll and no one around here takes him seriously. Whenever I think of bcspace I think of a sorry little troll with his pants down looking at his little pecker.



Paul O

[_DonBradley]

Consig,

I was at that conference session and did not perceive it as a backward step by the Church on gay issues.

President Packer was clearly very much in decline and could not remember the General Conference style guidelines (e.g., for quotations ["quote"--"unquote"] and scripture references) he'd been using for 45 years. He wasn't speaking officially for the Church, and wasn't even speaking particularly clearly or cogently for himself.

What I got out of the statement you quoted is that he didn't believe God would give anyone a temptation they couldn't resist, an idea taken from the Doctrine and Covenants.

There is no sense fighting with the man when he is neither the leader of the Church nor likely to long be speaking from its pulpit. If one of the posters on this board were 87 and in rapid decline, hopefully we'd all give him a break. I don't see why not to do the same for Boyd K. Packer.

Don

[Guest]

Consig,

I was at that conference session and did not perceive it as a backward step by the Church on gay issues.

President Packer was clearly very much in decline and could not remember the General Conference style guidelines (e.g., for quotations ["quote"--"unquote"] and scripture references) he'd been using for 45 years. He wasn't speaking officially for the Church,...

Don

Wait...what...?
An Apostle, President of the Quorum of the 12, is assigned to give a talk to the membership at Conference and that doesn't constitute him speaking 'officially for the Church'?

You're having a laugh right?

What is general conference?
General conference is a semiannual gathering of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. During general conference weekend, Church members and others gather worldwide in a series of two-hour sessions to receive inspiration and instruction from Church leaders. LDS.org

“An 'apostle' is an ordained leader in the Melchizedek Priesthood in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Apostles are chosen through inspiration by the President of the Church, sustained by the general membership of the Church, and ordained by the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve Apostles by the laying on of hands. . . . In addition to serving as witnesses of Jesus Christ to all the world (D&C 107:23), as Jesus' apostles did, members of the current Quorum of the Twelve Apostles hold the keys of the priesthood--that is, the rights of presidency (D&C 107:35; cf. 124:128)” (Encyclopedia of Mormonism [1992], 1:59-60). LDS.org

Now, my brothers and sisters, we have come to be instructed and inspired. Many messages will be shared during the next two days. I can assure you that those men and women who will address you have sought heaven’s help and direction as they have prepared their messages. They have been inspired concerning that which they will share with us. Thomas S. Monson April 2012

[_Tobin]

LOL Drifting. I get the sense Don is a bit more practical and knowledgable about the Church and the gospel than that. I don't know why you would expect any Mormon just to accept anything that is taught in General Conference (you should probably use that line on bcspace instead). A lot of false doctrine has come down from that podium in the past and that will continue to happen. It is better to use our reason, understanding of the gospel, the context in which it was stated, and yes, even a little inspiration from God before accepting anything stated there.