The Key to Mormonism

[_Bob Loblaw]

Nightlion is "knowledgeable" and Tobin is "reasonable." Pretty much says it all about Shixon1.

[_Drifting]

Shixon, what do you feel Satan can accomplish by his hostile takeover of the Church?

[_Shixon1]

Like I tried to show in my paper. Satan will just blind the minds of members to the real purpose of the church.

Shixon, what do you feel Satan can accomplish by his hostile takeover of the Church?

[_Uncle Dale]

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I could not find anywhere where it said the church could not fall.
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If so, then you'll have to tell me about the "eighth dispensation."

(3-7) The Lord Will Never Permit the Living Prophet to Lead the Church Astray

The following are three testimonies which show clearly that the Lord will never allow his prophet to lead the Church out of the path of truth:

“I bear you my solemn witness that we have a living prophet, seer, and revelator. We are not dependent only upon the revelations given in the past . . . we have a mouthpiece to whom God is revealing his mind and will. God will never permit him to lead us astray. As has been said, God would remove us out of our place if we should attempt to do it. You have not concern. Let the management and government of God, then, be with the Lord. Do not try to find fault with the management and affairs that pertain to him alone and by revelation through his prophet.” (Harold B. Lee, “The Place of the Living Prophet, Seer, and Revelator,” in Charge, p. 112.)

“I remember years ago when I was a bishop I had President [Heber J.] Grant talk to our ward. After the meeting, I drove him home. . . . When we got to his home I got out of the car and went up on the porch with him. Standing by me, he put his arm over my shoulder and said: ‘My boy, you always keep your eye on the President of the Church, and if he ever tells you to do anything, and it is wrong, and you do it, the Lord will bless you for it.’ Then with a twinkle in his eye, he said, ‘But you don’t need to worry. The Lord will never let his mouthpiece lead the people astray.’” (Marion G. Romney, in Conference Report, Oct. 1960, p. 78.)

“I say to Israel, the Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as president of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that the Lord would remove me out of my place, and so He will any other man who attempts to lead the children of men astray from the oracles of God and from their duty.” (Wilford Woodruff, in “General Conference,” Millennial Star, 24 Nov. 1890 [52:741]; or The Discourses of Wilford Woodruff, pp. 212–13.)

A man who is out of harmony with the Lord will never lead the Lord’s church. God will not permit it. The following quotations make that clear:

“Safety is in following divinely appointed leadership and counsel. . . .

“The keys of this power and authority center in the president of the High Priesthood of the Church. It is not given to any other man to so represent God here upon the earth. . . .

“God will not suffer his Church, established for the last time in this the Dispensation of the Fulness of Times when a restitution of all things is to be accomplished, to be led by a fallen prophet, or by someone whom he does not want.” (Delbert L. Stapley, in Conference Report, Apr. 1952, pp. 49–50.)

“I testify in the name of Israel’s God that He will not suffer the head of the Church, him whom He has chosen to stand at the head, to transgress His laws and apostatize; the moment he should take a course that would in time lead to it, God would take him away. Why? Because to suffer a wicked man to occupy that position would be to allow, as it were, the fountain to become corrupted, which is something He will never permit.” (Joseph F. Smith, in Journal of Discourses, 24:192.)

UD

[_Shixon1]

Thanks for the references. However the church does not believe that the Journal of discourses to be scripture nor do I. I was refering to the scriptures. The scriptures many times says do not trust any man. Trust in God.

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I could not find anywhere where it said the church could not fall.
...

If so, then you'll have to tell me about the "eighth dispensation."

(3-7) The Lord Will Never Permit the Living Prophet to Lead the Church Astray

The following are three testimonies which show clearly that the Lord will never allow his prophet to lead the Church out of the path of truth:

“I bear you my solemn witness that we have a living prophet, seer, and revelator. We are not dependent only upon the revelations given in the past . . . we have a mouthpiece to whom God is revealing his mind and will. God will never permit him to lead us astray. As has been said, God would remove us out of our place if we should attempt to do it. You have not concern. Let the management and government of God, then, be with the Lord. Do not try to find fault with the management and affairs that pertain to him alone and by revelation through his prophet.” (Harold B. Lee, “The Place of the Living Prophet, Seer, and Revelator,” in Charge, p. 112.)

“I remember years ago when I was a bishop I had President [Heber J.] Grant talk to our ward. After the meeting, I drove him home. . . . When we got to his home I got out of the car and went up on the porch with him. Standing by me, he put his arm over my shoulder and said: ‘My boy, you always keep your eye on the President of the Church, and if he ever tells you to do anything, and it is wrong, and you do it, the Lord will bless you for it.’ Then with a twinkle in his eye, he said, ‘But you don’t need to worry. The Lord will never let his mouthpiece lead the people astray.’” (Marion G. Romney, in Conference Report, Oct. 1960, p. 78.)

“I say to Israel, the Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as president of this Church to lead you astray. It is not in the programme. It is not in the mind of God. If I were to attempt that the Lord would remove me out of my place, and so He will any other man who attempts to lead the children of men astray from the oracles of God and from their duty.” (Wilford Woodruff, in “General Conference,” Millennial Star, 24 Nov. 1890 [52:741]; or The Discourses of Wilford Woodruff, pp. 212–13.)

A man who is out of harmony with the Lord will never lead the Lord’s church. God will not permit it. The following quotations make that clear:

“Safety is in following divinely appointed leadership and counsel. . . .

“The keys of this power and authority center in the president of the High Priesthood of the Church. It is not given to any other man to so represent God here upon the earth. . . .

“God will not suffer his Church, established for the last time in this the Dispensation of the Fulness of Times when a restitution of all things is to be accomplished, to be led by a fallen prophet, or by someone whom he does not want.” (Delbert L. Stapley, in Conference Report, Apr. 1952, pp. 49–50.)

“I testify in the name of Israel’s God that He will not suffer the head of the Church, him whom He has chosen to stand at the head, to transgress His laws and apostatize; the moment he should take a course that would in time lead to it, God would take him away. Why? Because to suffer a wicked man to occupy that position would be to allow, as it were, the fountain to become corrupted, which is something He will never permit.” (Joseph F. Smith, in Journal of Discourses, 24:192.)

UD

[_sock puppet]

Thanks for the references. However the church does not believe that the Journal of discourses to be scripture nor do I. I was refering to the scriptures. The scriptures many times says do not trust any man. Trust in God

--as explained to you by other men, and 'heaven forbid', don't claim god spoke to you.

So, trust what other men tell you about a mystical being, but don't trust those that use tools of empiricism and logic.

I wonder which is a better tool for subjugating others through fear?

[_Shixon1]

Bob Loblaw is....... I am not sure what to think about you. I like to look at the good points of a person. How would you fill in the blank? Hope fully I could put a friend in the blank and you could think of me the same way.

Nightlion is "knowledgeable" and Tobin is "reasonable." Pretty much says it all about Shixon1.

[_Nightlion]

Shixon, what do you feel Satan can accomplish by his hostile takeover of the Church?

I'll take this one. Satan get to despoil, ravish and defile the intended bride before the marriage supper of the Lamb of God. Just like he did to Ancient Israel, Ancient Christianity, and over and over again in the Book of Mormon. Heck, this is precisely what Satan IS about. Turning light into darkness. Turning things up-side-down. Making good appear to be evil and evil good. He is exceedingly efficient at doing this.
Thus he provokes God.

Every time the truth gets done and the gospel exists Satan sits down to play chess. He moves up his pawns, finds a weakness, layers power to first freeze all progress then eliminates by attrition all power from the other side. Then he owns the board and can fiddle with it or make a quick end of the whole.

Satan won the LDS Church in the 1850s and has been fiddling with it since. The Lord has not suffered that the Restoration of the last dispensation be utterly destroyed. He has kept sufficient hide from the world and will apply it to a good purpose in its time and season. But the LDS, Mormon Church is toast. Fierce is the Lord who will punish her harlotry.