ldsfaqs wrote: ...Even more importantly, you should learn the difference between the actual history and your perverted views of it, since only about 50% of the translation process involved a "hat", while the rest including various things, or at the end nothing at all, simply pure revelation....Ignorant hateful slime...!
"... since only about 50% of the translation process involved a "hat" - CFR
By reading all known accounts, timeline of the translation..... etc.
See FAIR etc. for a start. They for example list all known accounts of how the translation occurred.
Frankly, anyone who's actually studied the history of the issue, and not simply regurgitates anti-mormon claims as if that is the actual truth knows this.
Multiple methods was used to translate the plates, not simply using a hat, including having nothing at all with him, plates or otherwise.
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ldsfaqs wrote:By reading all known accounts, timeline of the translation..... etc.
See FAIR etc. for a start. They for example list all known accounts of how the translation occurred.
Just admit you can't back up your claim. When someone does a CFR, it's not acceptable to answer with "do your own homework." I can't imagine why people don't seem to take you seriously, Mr. Universe.
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A simple search at the FAIR Wiki will result in the page.
The very fact that you people CAN'T and are unwilling to do your OWN research and find the truth out for yourselves betray's your own willing ignorance and bigotry.
People who want actual truth do their own work, and are patient, not demand to be spoon feed.
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ldsfaqs wrote:A simple search at the FAIR Wiki will result in the page.
The very fact that you people CAN'T and are unwilling to do your OWN research and find the truth out for yourselves betray's your own willing ignorance and bigotry.
People who want actual truth do their own work, and are patient, not demand to be spoon feed.
Already did my research. We both know you are full of crap. The primary sources do not suggest in the least that only 50% involved the use of a hat. You know this, or you'd be able to back up your claim.
"It doesn't seem fair, does it Norm--that I should have so much knowledge when there are people in the world that have to go to bed stupid every night." -- Clifford C. Clavin, USPS
"¡No contaban con mi astucia!" -- El Chapulin Colorado
ldsfaqs wrote:A simple search at the FAIR Wiki will result in the page.
The very fact that you people CAN'T and are unwilling to do your OWN research and find the truth out for yourselves betray's your own willing ignorance and bigotry.
People who want actual truth do their own work, and are patient, not demand to be spoon feed.
So the next time some one asks me for a reference I can simply say "It is out there on the "fill in the blank" website, look it up. And since you have not already looked it up and agreed with me shows that you are an idiot"
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. - The Dude
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ldsfaqs wrote:A simple search at the FAIR Wiki will result in the page.
The very fact that you people CAN'T and are unwilling to do your OWN research and find the truth out for yourselves betray's your own willing ignorance and bigotry.
People who want actual truth do their own work, and are patient, not demand to be spoon feed.
When I originally asked for a reference I was genuinely curious. I have stated on this board before that Joseph Smith’s method of translating the Book of Mormon never really bothered me. I mean if you can accept that an angel of god appeared to him and led him to golden plates, the means of translation is really kind of a small thing.
Your snarky response just showed me that you are full of crap and can’t deal with issues without being in attack mode
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use. - Galileo
Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. - The Dude
Don't you know there ain't no devil, there's just god when he's drunk - Tom Waits
Darth J wrote:Here's a simple artistic rendering of Abraham Lincoln that pictures an IDEA of the Gettysburg Address (or possibly the Emancipation Proclamation), compared to full historical accuracy. It is completely impossible and impractical to portray the basic idea of the Gettysburg Address (or the Emancipation Proclamation; I'm not sure) in any way other than this simple artistic rendering:
Similarly, here is a basic artistic rendering of the Apollo moon landing. It is completely impossible or impractical to portray the IDEA of the Apollo moon landing with all the historical details, so this is a simple portrayal of the basic idea:
The problem with your version of "artist renderings" is that they enter facts in the picture that aren't in evidence.
Joseph had no "machine guns".... There were no "unicorns", etc. etc.
What is so danged offensive to you people that Joseph sits at a table with the plates in front of him? Which by the way is ALSO one of the ways the translation occurred. So, why so offended?
Could it be your bigotry??? Yep.
"Socialism is Rape and Capitalism is consensual sex" - Ben Shapiro
ldsfaqs wrote:A simple search at the FAIR Wiki will result in the page.
The very fact that you people CAN'T and are unwilling to do your OWN research and find the truth out for yourselves betray's your own willing ignorance and bigotry.
People who want actual truth do their own work, and are patient, not demand to be spoon feed.
Already did my research. We both know you are full of crap. The primary sources do not suggest in the least that only 50% involved the use of a hat. You know this, or you'd be able to back up your claim.
Ya, I'm just "lying" scumbag.....
Ya, someone's who's been an anti-mormon, believing some of your same ignorance and lies, who then studied for the actual truth, is the one lying.
I was looking at church history to see how it addressed Joe's translation of the plates. In volume 1, chapter 2, which supposedly covers the time period of 1820-1827, it actually address the Hoffman forgeries. Didn't that happen in the 1990's?
then it is your fault for not discerning the full and complete statement of David Whitmer
True enough. For example, the reason he gave for looking into a hat is never mentioned (because it would extinguish the yellow journalistic effect of the selective quote).
Sounds like the justifications used for incidents that actually did not happen even though described in Obama's book
Then you agree that anti Mormonism is at least as dishonest as our Master, Obama.
FIFY
How did you manage to pull Obama into this post?
The uncovering of the fictionalized portions of his book is a similar and recent example to the uncovering of anti Mormon tactics used here and indeed liberalism and anti Mormonism have much in common.
