FAIR's Mike Parker: Will Schryver "admitted and apologized"?

[_Bob Loblaw]

I would love to see examples of: "... libel, denigrating women, unwanted ogling and fantasizing, meddling in family affairs, harassment, and threats of violence..."? Do you have some? That is exactly what I'm looking for.

Please post them in the thread I started for that purpose.

They've been provided, and you've dismissed them as mere personal grudge.

[_Ludd]

I would love to see examples of: "... libel, denigrating women, unwanted ogling and fantasizing, meddling in family affairs, harassment, and threats of violence..."? Do you have some? That is exactly what I'm looking for.

Please post them in the thread I started for that purpose.

They've been provided, and you've dismissed them as mere personal grudge.

No. That's just the problem. No one provided examples of these things. If you disagree with me, then please go to the thread I started for this purpose, and post one of these examples so we can see what you're talking about. I'll be keeping an eye out for your post...

[_Bob Loblaw]

No. That's just the problem. No one provided examples of these things. If you disagree with me, then please go to the thread I started for this purpose, and post one of these examples so we can see what you're talking about. I'll be keeping an eye out for your post...

You don't agree that DCP's saying that John Gee had Ritner removed from his dissertation committee for some unnamed but probably nefarious reason doesn't constitute bad behavior, especially when Gee and DCP knew it was false?

You think it was OK for Peterson to meddle in Eric's family life causing a repeat of a rift that had been slowly repaired?

You think making fun of women's breasts, looks, age, and general sexuality is not misogynist?

You think saying someone is loading a shotgun to be aimed at a particular poster is acceptable behavior?

I could go on, but all of this has been presented here.

[_Ludd]

No. That's just the problem. No one provided examples of these things. If you disagree with me, then please go to the thread I started for this purpose, and post one of these examples so we can see what you're talking about. I'll be keeping an eye out for your post...

You don't agree that DCP's saying that John Gee had Ritner removed from his dissertation committee for some unnamed but probably nefarious reason doesn't constitute bad behavior, especially when Gee and DCP knew it was false?

You think it was OK for Peterson to meddle in Eric's family life causing a repeat of a rift that had been slowly repaired?

You think making fun of women's breasts, looks, age, and general sexuality is not misogynist?

You think saying someone is loading a shotgun to be aimed at a particular poster is acceptable behavior?

I could go on, but all of this has been presented here.

No. What has happened, from what I have seen, is that many allegations have been made, but no one actually provides evidence for the allegations.

If you think I'm mistaken, then please give some examples in the thread I started for that purpose.

[_Bob Loblaw]

Let's start with the first one. Do you or do you not agree that these statements about Ritner are false and imply wrongdoing on his part?

The fact is that Professor Gee went on to earn a doctorate from Yale in Egyptology after successfully petitioning for the removal of Professor Ritner, his appointed advisor, from his doctoral committee. (Aug 2 2006, 10:45 AM)- http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... opic=16868

Perhaps you're unaware that Professor Gee (successfully) petitioned his department at Yale to have Professor Ritner replaced as chairman of his doctoral committee. Such requests are not commonly made. And they are not commonly granted. Do you think they're best buddies? (Jun 10 2006, 04:56 PM)
http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... tner&st=20

Professor Ritner was once Professor Gee's dissertation chairman at Yale University, until he was removed from that position and replaced by another professor. There is a personal history here (of which I was aware as it played out, since Professor Gee had been a student of mine before he went off to graduate school at Berkeley and then Yale. (Mar 22 2006, 08:43 PM) - http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... opic=14257

As I've said, various substantive responses are in the works. Whether the personal side of this will ever come out is unknown to me. I wish it would, but I don't think that's my decision to make. (Sep 29 2004, 01:26 PM) http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... topic=5150

Peterson provided an email from John Gee which included the following:

“I also will not comment on his removal from my dissertation committee other than to note that it was the department's decision to do so. There is much more to the story than what Professor Ritner has chosen to tell.” (Mar 23 2006, 07:47 PM) http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... ner&st=100

[_Ludd]

Let's start with the first one. Do you or do you not agree that these statements about Ritner are false and imply wrongdoing on his part?

The fact is that Professor Gee went on to earn a doctorate from Yale in Egyptology after successfully petitioning for the removal of Professor Ritner, his appointed advisor, from his doctoral committee. (Aug 2 2006, 10:45 AM)- http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... opic=16868

Perhaps you're unaware that Professor Gee (successfully) petitioned his department at Yale to have Professor Ritner replaced as chairman of his doctoral committee. Such requests are not commonly made. And they are not commonly granted. Do you think they're best buddies? (Jun 10 2006, 04:56 PM)
http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... tner&st=20

Professor Ritner was once Professor Gee's dissertation chairman at Yale University, until he was removed from that position and replaced by another professor. There is a personal history here (of which I was aware as it played out, since Professor Gee had been a student of mine before he went off to graduate school at Berkeley and then Yale. (Mar 22 2006, 08:43 PM) - http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... opic=14257

As I've said, various substantive responses are in the works. Whether the personal side of this will ever come out is unknown to me. I wish it would, but I don't think that's my decision to make. (Sep 29 2004, 01:26 PM) http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... topic=5150

Peterson provided an email from John Gee which included the following:

“I also will not comment on his removal from my dissertation committee other than to note that it was the department's decision to do so. There is much more to the story than what Professor Ritner has chosen to tell.” (Mar 23 2006, 07:47 PM) http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... ner&st=100

First of all, I know nothing about this incident except what has been mentioned about it on this message board.

I don't know that any of the statements are false. Do you?

If so, what is false? How do you know it is false?

[_Bob Loblaw]

First of all, I know nothing about this incident except what has been mentioned about it on this message board.

I don't know that any of the statements are false. Do you?

If so, what is false? How do you know it is false?

What's false is that Gee asked for Ritner's removal. I have seen the evidence that it is not true. It's not that hard to get to the bottom of this.

[_Ludd]

First of all, I know nothing about this incident except what has been mentioned about it on this message board.

I don't know that any of the statements are false. Do you?

If so, what is false? How do you know it is false?

What's false is that Gee asked for Ritner's removal.

Ok. Is that the only thing that is false in the quote you provided?

I have seen the evidence that it is not true.

Where is the evidence?

It's not that hard to get to the bottom of this.

I guess we'll see...

[_Sophocles]

I haven't read every page of the thread. Are we still pretending that Ludd is on a fact finding mission for someone else, or did he drop that façade at some point?

[_Bob Loblaw]

Ok. Is that the only thing that is false in the quote you provided?

That is the main assertion in those quotes. What do you mean "the only thing"?

Where is the evidence?

The quotes from DCP hint that Ritner did something wrong and Gee had to petition to get him removed from the committee. Where is DCP's evidence? He has none. It's funny that you ask me for my source but not DCP. I told you before I don't break confidences but you can see the same evidence I did if you do your homework.

I guess we'll see...

Yes we will. If you really wanted to know what happened with Ritner and why, you would not be asking me.