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Re: Shades, its time to restore the thread

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Alter Idem wrote:Shades does allow cut and pastes from other boards, though he does request links, which couldn't be done to Liz's board. I'm not sure if Jersey Girl would want to do this, but if she did and Shades was okay with it, I'd post her responses here for her. But I'm not sure how Shades would feel about this since he did ban her from here.


That seems fair. You can quote who ever the hell you want. Free speech, baby. Bring on the Jersey Girl. You can be her mouth, ears, and eyes. You do realize it would be a lot of endless bitching.

I'll cover my ears.

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Re: Shades, its time to restore the thread

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cwald wrote:The youtube temple vids are being discussed at MDDB now

http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/58425-temple-video/

I think it is quite comical they will never list this board by name...only as the "other board" or the "critics board."


I usually refer to their board as the "other board" too. Sometimes I call it MAD but it's that other stinking board with Nazi-like moderators lieing for the Lord. They are spiritual murderers! And they can kiss my ass!

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Jersey Girl: This is your opportunity

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Dr. Shades and the rest of the mod team, I ask that you allow this thread to remain in the Terrestrial Forum for visibility purposes. Once it has run it's course, you are free to move it.

In another thread, Alter Idem says the following concerning Jersey Girl's ban:

I think the accusations against her [Jersey Girl] are serious and when he [Dr. Shades] resurrects them, and she has no way to respond and challenge them

This was my reply:
Yes she does:

1) Jersey Girl can read the board
2) Jersey Girl can use a text editor to craft a reply
3) Liz or Alter Idem or any of her friends can post on her behalf
4) We can respond
5) Goto 1)


Time for Jersey Girl to put up or shut up. I suggest Alter Idem or Liz post in this thread on her behalf. No need to post links from Liz's board - have Jersey Girl draft all replies using a text editor on her computer, hand them over to a spokesperson, and the spokesperson will post replies here. Hell, I'll even volunteer to post Jersey's replies if she sends them to me.

So, what's it going to be, Jersey Girl? Sling crap at Shades from afar, a la Peterson, or have a bit of courage and fill us all in?

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Re: Jersey Girl: This is your opportunity

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What you did was unpardonable, Jersey Girl. Your banning was completely just and fair. You did it to yourself. Own up and shut up.

I hope you learned a little lesson when it comes to threatening people with lawsuits. What you did was really down and dirty -- you should apologize.

But your banning is permanent. Forever.

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Re: Jersey Girl: This is your opportunity

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Shulem wrote:What you did was unpardonable, Jersey Girl. Your banning was completely just and fair. You did it to yourself. Own up and shut up.

I hope you learned a little lesson when it comes to threatening people with lawsuits. What you did was really down and dirty -- you should apologize.

But your banning is permanent. Forever.

Paul O

Idly threatening lawsuits is a pernicious, anti-social evil. It is bullying when there is not real legal traction for the claims. Those threats are often used to shake out a 'nuisance value' from the target of those threats.

I am a lawyer. I have litigation experience. I only litigate for clients claims that relate to business, tax, and estate planning issues. I tried a case for plaintiffs early this year, the jury gave us a handsome verdict. The wrongs involved were palpable. The defendant was incorrigible against entertaining the notion that he might have erred. His intransigence in that regard required us to take the case all the way through trial.

When I think someone has been wronged by another in a way recognized by society as expressed through its laws, I believe in pursuing a remedy. I do not think that the offender should be permitted to keep the benefit from his wrong.

Of potential litigation clients, I take less than 1 out of 6 that seek my services for litigation to pursue a claim. (I take most every client that needs a civil action defense--he did not start the suit. Sometimes doing nothing more than scheduling a settlement conference and getting the matter resolved amicably, particularly when this defendant clearly is culpable for the losses suffered by the claimant.)

About the other 5, some are earnestly seeking, when they come in for a consultation, to learn whether they have been wronged in a way the law recognizes. Some depart disappointed, but satisfied that "there's nothing that can be done" within the justice system. About 1 of those 5 ask will ask me if we can't get something out of the target of his angst by sending a threatening letter or maybe even filing suit, "and see what that other person or company will give us".

Most (90%+) of other lawyers I know will do as I do and refuse to do so, upholding the oath we took not to do so. I think our profession, and the justice system as a whole, would fare much better in the marketplace of public opinion if it were not for the less than 10% of lawyers that do engage in idle threats of litigation, to shake down the targets.

I thankfully do not know the particulars of the situation discussed in this thread. I hope that when any litigation threats may have been made by Jersey Girl, she fully thought she had legal basis to file such a lawsuit and fully intended to go through with filing, but has not because of what she may have learned about the facts and legal rules since leveling those threats. As I indicated, idly threatening lawsuits is a pernicious, anti-social evil, particularly when used to stop another from exercising his otherwise protected rights.
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Re: Jersey Girl: This is your opportunity

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She does have a response including her message to Dr Shades on Liz's board which includes a vehement denial of the accusations. She claims not to have threatened to sue. You can just use a previous link to go there and view it.
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Re: Jersey Girl: This is your opportunity

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bcspace wrote:She does have a response including her message to Dr Shades on Liz's board which includes a vehement denial of the accusations. She claims not to have threatened to sue. You can just use a previous link to go there and view it.


Liz runs a private board. Not all here can link to that message. Copy and paste Jersey Girl's message here.

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Re: Jersey Girl: This is your opportunity

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LDSToronto wrote:Dr. Shades and the rest of the mod team, I ask that you allow this thread to remain in the Terrestrial Forum for visibility purposes. Once it has run it's course, you are free to move it.


Dr. Shades and the rest of the mod team, I ask that you put a stop to this thread, pronto!

In addition to the obvious (A thread started to challenge a banned/silenced former MDB member :rolleyes: ) I would suggest that this thread, among other things, is an extreme example of bad form!


Time for Jersey Girl to put up or shut up.


I'm fairly certain that decision has already been made (long before you decided to author this thread) to ban Jersey Girl from this board (Not sure how anyone could either "put up" or "shut up" from that position)

I suggest Alter Idem or Liz post in this thread on her behalf.


I suggest that someone post on your behalf, forever!

So, what's it going to be, Jersey Girl? Sling s*** at Shades from afar, a la Peterson, or have a bit of courage and fill us all in?


The absolute pinnacle of irony. (It just doesn't get any higher than that!)

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Re: Jersey Girl: This is your opportunity

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Ceeboo wrote:
LDSToronto wrote:Dr. Shades and the rest of the mod team, I ask that you allow this thread to remain in the Terrestrial Forum for visibility purposes. Once it has run it's course, you are free to move it.


Dr. Shades and the rest of the mod team, I ask that you put a stop to this thread, pronto!

In addition to the obvious (A thread started to challenge a banned/silenced former MDB member :rolleyes: ) I would suggest that this thread, among other things, is an extreme example of bad form!


Dummy, go read the thread where Alter Idem accused Shades of not allowing Jersey Girl to refute his accusations. This thread is for Jersey Girl to have a voice, you dimwit.

Ceeboo wrote:I suggest that someone post on your behalf, forever!


Somebody already does. Chew on that for a while.

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Re: Jersey Girl: This is your opportunity

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LDSToronto wrote:
bcspace wrote:She does have a response including her message to Dr Shades on Liz's board which includes a vehement denial of the accusations. She claims not to have threatened to sue. You can just use a previous link to go there and view it.


Liz runs a private board. Not all here can link to that message. Copy and paste Jersey Girl's message here.

H.


If BCspace does as you suggest, he could get himself in hot water--with Liz or with Shades. Do you know the board guidelines for Liz's board? Do you know how Shades feels about the suggestion to cut and paste Jersey Girl's remarks here on his board? What about Jersey Girl? Does she have any say in this?

You keep urging people to copy and paste when so far, no one has heard a word from Shades, or Liz--the owners of the boards.

And lay off Ceeboo. I think he know what's going on. He just doesn't like contention. Unfortunately, sometimes it can't be avoided.
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