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ldsfaqs wrote:Allen West is a better pick, the best of any actually.


First, let me tell you what I like about Alan West. WSIWYG. What you see is what you get. He doesn't mince words. You know where he stands.

Now, let me tell you what I don't like about Congressman West, besides where he stands. He believes that true America, the real American is as deep and wide as right edge of the right wing of the Republican Party. He believes that anything else is a threat to this nation. He has said that between 78 and 81 members of Congress are members of the Communist Party. He is what Eric Hoffer called a 'True Believer'. One quote really says it all:

I hate big-tent. I hate inclusiveness. And I hate outreach.

None of that listening to "the better angels of our nature" for Congressman West.

Is this the guy we want a heartbeat away from the Presidency of a nation of 300 million divided citizens? Think he's going to make things better?
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EAllusion wrote:Allen West is an absolute nutjob and functions as a commentary on the darkside of democracy when someone like him somehow manages to sniff power. He's essentially a symbol for how thoroughly the inmates have taken over the asylum in the GOP. It's kind of appropriate him, of all people, is ldsfaq's boy. He'll never be a VP pick though, as there's an endless string of crazy quotes to point out. He'd make Biden look as composed as Nelson Mendela.


You only think that of him because of Liberal bearing false witness out of context quote mining of him.

If you actually knew him, listened to him, you would know how great and wise he actually is.

That show your character. Liberals have to lie and misrepresent people in order to degrade them.
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palerobber wrote:
ldsfaqs wrote:Allen West is a better pick, the best of any actually.


why is it Republicans think that if they just elevate a token African-American to a prominent position it will somehow cause the rest of the nation's blacks to magically forget the last 40 years of the GOP not just completely ignoring their issues but actively stoking white racial resentment for political gain?


He is no a "token" African-American. He is a great, highly intelligent and wise man, who understands America, the Constitution, etc. He's the wisest of any in the GOP, even more than Romney, but Romney's needed to fix the economy. But, we want Allen West to be President the next go around.

You shouldn't confuse your liberal lies and brainwashing of blacks making them new kinds of "slaves" with the GOP actually doing anything against them. Liberal policy's and morality have destroyed the black man and family.

Further, the GOP doesn't care about "race". We treat all men equally. It is you liberals who make things about race. Just look at the latest example, the Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin issue. A guy simply keeping an eye out for his community, is slandered as a racist, when it was Trayvon who crossed the line, and got himself killed.

Further, the fact that you have to lie and misrepresent people in order to degrade them, shows your own character, the lack thereof. Take the last election.... The only "racists" found by the media were Democrat Southern Hilary supporters. All kinds of quotes of them making racist statements of why they won't vote for Obama. You fools on the other hand falsley call conservative dislike of his liberalism & marxism as being racist. Yet, if the slimeball wasn't black, we would be saying the same things. Again, you showing your lack of character and intellectual judgment skills.

by the way, Allen West is a war criminal, convicted for violating the UMCJ and nearly court martialed -- nice pick.


Again, more out of context liberal lies.

In a time of war on the battlefield, for the safety of his men, he made a judgment call to "scare" the bad guy a little. Yes, it may not have been within the "rules", but sometimes things like that have to be done for the safety of your men. He still didn't cross a moral line. He only broke a rule.

Good men not only follow the letter of the law, but the spirit of it also. In real life, sometimes the letter of the law gets in the way of doing what needs to be done. As long as he remains in the spirit of the law, he is just fine. Since he did, didn't hurt the guy at all, he is a good man still.

He is not a war criminal. If he was, he would have been charged and convicted.
Breaking a rule is not a "war criminal" offense.
In fact, YOU are the war criminal for such immoral and false views, as well as lying about people like that. Of course, in the spirit of the law. You are dishonest, and lack character.
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ldsfaqs wrote:by the way, all you liberals out there need to read the book "Liberal Fascism" and learn something.
Don't be predictable and ignore it because of the Title. It gets into the full history of Fascism, that liberal history ignores and misrepresents, showing directly who the actual fascists are.

And FYI, I knew most of the information before I read the book, so you can't accuse me of bias.

Further, as I mentioned above. You don't see Conservatives creating millions of fascist laws infringing on basic rights, even the right to have a CONE with your ICE CREAM in California.

The recent housing crisis. Obama an his Admin among 1000's of other right infringing laws, created Real Estate and Lending rules that literally caused the housing crisis to DOUBLE in severity. People that wouldn't have lost homes and investment property's DID because of Obama and liberals. Further, it's liberals that created the housing crisis in the first place, by forcing standards on banks making them "loosen" their lending rules, thus creating millions of bad loans, which the banks then had to do something with, and thus the crash. You can only make poop smell pretty so long.... It's still ultimately poop. The government forced the banks to create poop, and the country getting pooped on was the result.


The housing bubble popped before Obama even got to office genius.

Liberal Fascism is a joke b/t/w. The author misuses "Fascism" when he should have used "Authoritarianism" and it goes downhill from the title. But whatevs.
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MeDotOrg wrote:
ldsfaqs wrote:Allen West is a better pick, the best of any actually.


First, let me tell you what I like about Alan West. WSIWYG. What you see is what you get. He doesn't mince words. You know where he stands.

Now, let me tell you what I don't like about Congressman West, besides where he stands. He believes that true America, the real American is as deep and wide as right edge of the right wing of the Republican Party. He believes that anything else is a threat to this nation. He has said that between 78 and 81 members of Congress are members of the Communist Party. He is what Eric Hoffer called a 'True Believer'. One quote really says it all:

I hate big-tent. I hate inclusiveness. And I hate outreach.

None of that listening to "the better angels of our nature" for Congressman West.

Is this the guy we want a heartbeat away from the Presidency of a nation of 300 million divided citizens? Think he's going to make things better?


- Conservatism IS what made America great, thus he isn't lying.
- Further, anything else IS a threat to America. Ideology's that are contrary to American values are a threat to the Republic. He gave an oath to protect the country from enemy's Foriegn AND Domestic. Those are not just words to men who have character, like they are to liberals, who pretend to love America while striving to destroy it, turn it Marxist. Thus, he isn't lying.
- What he said about that number of members of Congress being a part of the Communist Party is also true. He didn't lie at all. You ever watched Cspan, and/or watched what various liberals in Congress say? A vast number of them are completely anti-american in ideology and beliefs.

Moderator: "What percentage of the American legislature do you think are card-carrying Marxists or International Socialist?"

West: "It's a good question. I believe there's about 78 to 81 members of the Democrat Party who are members of the Communist Party. ... It’s called the Congressional Progressive Caucus."

So how many -- if any -- Democrats in Congress are communists?

West points to the Progressive Caucus

We asked West’s spokeswoman Angela Melvin for an explanation: "The congressman was referring to the 76 members of the Congressional Progressive Caucus. The Communist Party has publicly referred to the Progressive Caucus as its allies. The Progressive Caucus speaks for itself. These individuals certainly aren't proponents of free markets or individual economic freedom."

On Facebook, West elaborated: "I stand by the point of my comments. The press wants to write gotcha stories and talk semantics, but just look at the words and actions of the Progressive Caucus. You can call them socialist, Marxist, communist or whatever you want, but the point is, they oppose free markets and individual economic freedom, they want to redistribute wealth, and they want to see the nation fundamentally transformed. Their policies are destructive and I will stand up to them regardless of the critics. Members of this Caucus lavished praise on Fidel Castro following a 2009 visit, just to name one example. The Communist Party USA claims the Progressive Caucus as its ‘ally.’"

West’s campaign manager Tim Edson told the Washington Post that some Democratic members have traveled to communist Cuba or praised Fidel Castro. (The Post noted that some Republicans have gone to Cuba too.) From the Post:

"Pressed on whether those members are actual communists, Edson said the label isn’t the point.

"We can quibble about the terminology used to describe them, but it’s clear. Whatever you call people that oppose capitalism and free markets and individual economic freedom — maybe it’s ‘socialist,’ maybe it’s ’communist’ — but that’s the point the congressman was making, and he stands by the words."
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Bond James Bond wrote:The housing bubble popped before Obama even got to office genius.


I'm well aware of that "genius".... :eek:

1. Liberal policies created the housing crisis.

2. Obama and his Admin policies DOUBLED the housing crash after he took office.

I know what I'm talking about. I've worked with a lot of people who worked in Real Estate and where Real Estate investors. They've told me multiple regulations that were enacted by the Obama admin when he did his "bail-outs" and after that have directly caused them to loose properties.

Liberal Fascism is a joke b/t/w. The author misuses "Fascism" when he should have used "Authoritarianism" and it goes downhill from the title. But whatevs.


Nope.... Like I said, you clearly haven't read it, are simply attacking the Title pretending like you have.
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ldsfaqs wrote:I'm well aware of that "genius".... :eek:

1. Liberal policies created the housing crisis.


Evidence? The housing bubble happened under Bush and a Republican Congress.

2. Obama and his Admin policies DOUBLED the housing crash after he took office.
What policies led to this?

I know what I'm talking about. I've worked with a lot of people who worked in Real Estate and where Real Estate investors. They've told me multiple regulations that were enacted by the Obama admin when he did his "bail-outs" and after that have directly caused them to loose properties.


Specific regulations? And who do you blame for the primary problem of the housing bubble, subprime lending to bad mortgage candidates?

Liberal Fascism is a joke b/t/w. The author misuses "Fascism" when he should have used "Authoritarianism" and it goes downhill from the title. But whatevs.


Nope.... Like I said, you clearly haven't read it, are simply attacking the Title pretending like you have.
I've read it. I also know that Fascism and Liberalism are on different ends of the political spectrum.
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ldsfaqs wrote:- Conservatism IS what made America great, thus he isn't lying.
- Further, anything else IS a threat to America. Ideology's (sic) that are contrary to American values are a threat to the Republic.


Ideologies that are contrary to American values are a threat to the Republic? ANYTHING other than conservatism is a threat to America?

Try substituting the word "German" for "American". Who do you sound like? Who is Congressman West to become the ultimate arbiter of which values are 'American' and which are not?

You may not like an idea, fine. You may think it is bad for the country, fine. But that does not make the idea un-American.

It is not up to the right edge of the right wing of the Republican Party to decide what is American, nor is it up to the Communists, the Libertarians, or Vegatarian Polygamists for an Independent Idaho. It is not up to YOU, nor is it up to ME. It is up to the American People to decide what's American. We may be liberal, we may be conservative, but we are all members of a democracy.

Our first value, our raison d'etre is NOT conservatism, it is DEMOCRACY. Our government derives from the concept that sovereignty resides with the people. Not just the people that agree with Alan West, but ALL the people.

ldsfaqs wrote:- What he said about that number of members of Congress being a part of the Communist Party is also true. He didn't lie at all.


Well, other than the fact that NO member of Congress is a member of the Communist party, he's absolutely right. People get so hung up on technicalities, don't they? Personally I thought he might mention Senator Bernie Sanders, who describes himself as a democratic socialist, but evidently actually describing yourself as a socialist doesn't register on Mr. West's commie-radar.

If your definition of a Communist is anyone who doesn't believe in totally free markets without ANY government interference, who ISN'T a communist?

Do you want to put lead back in the paint in children's toys? Or gasoline, for that matter? Formaldehyde back in meat packing? Should we abolish the FDA? Dismantle public schools? Should all roads be private toll roads?

Please tell me: EXACTLY where the line should be drawn delineating free-market capitalism from communism?

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MeDotOrg wrote:
First, let me tell you what I like about Alan West. WSIWYG. What you see is what you get. He doesn't mince words. You know where he stands.


I'm not so sure about that. He's a case of Poe's law if there ever was one, but I think he's, at times anyway, playing games with his rhetoric rather than stating what he thinks. But in order for him to conjure up some shock-jock wacky thing to say, he has to radiate crazy because his normal views already are out there. I can't tell if his McCarthy-esque red-baiting was legit for him or not, but that is how far he has to go to make me wonder if he is serious.
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EAllusion wrote:
MeDotOrg wrote:
First, let me tell you what I like about Alan West. WSIWYG. What you see is what you get. He doesn't mince words. You know where he stands.


I'm not so sure about that. He's a case of Poe's law if there ever was one, but I think he's, at times anyway, playing games with his rhetoric rather than stating what he thinks. But in order for him to conjure up some shock-jock wacky thing to say, he has to radiate crazy because his normal views already are out there. I can't tell if his McCarthy-esque red-baiting was legit for him or not, but that is how far he has to go to make me wonder if he is serious.


i had not heard of Poe's law before. Brilliant!

I hope you're right, but I fear not.

Speaking of trying to 'out-ludicrous' a position: Not too long ago, my fair city had the pleasure of hosting a visitation from the Westborough Baptist Church (the 'God Hates Fags' people). Rather dignify their signs with a rational response, the counter-protesters tried a different tack...

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/Eyr6GrMJ2aYcXwbob5V38Ud610Iw45E8PfB2wtLi82z1pR-TBvKY3tQLygKcD1EP0SW7agtxw6A
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