Serious Question: What other Church compares to Mormonism?

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Re: Serious Question: What other Church compares to Mormonis

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Aristotle Smith wrote:Theologically, Methodism is essentially Book of Mormon Christianity. If you just look strictly at what's in the Book of Mormon, and don't read later Mormon doctrines into it, it is 19th century Methodism. Joseph Smith at one point in his history even says that he was partial to Methodism.

Nice to see someone else who thinks that.

Ever since I sat down with a UMC converted to Mormonism went back to UMC classmate while I was studying at a seminary, I've thought that Mormonism was Methodism's bastard step-child. There are prettier ways to say it, but I'm not that pretty.

Don't forget that Emma was a Methodist too. Always advocating for the women, I am.

Now diverting from my near thread high jack, back to the OP. Ask yourself, if you want, what is most important to you. Belief, community, ceremony, preaching, music, what kind of music?

Even as a Mormon, I've had a ceremonial bent, and I gravitated to high church Anglicanism. If I go, I go to a congregation that is pretty liberal theologically, has solid preachers, out-of-this world Anglican chant and doesn't ask that you be baptized in order to take communion.

If ritual isn't that important and you want to follow where your thoughts lead, maybe Quakers.

UMC could be something in the middle depending on the congregation.

As Stark and Finke would say, it's a religious marketplace out there.

As Pres. Monson says, let's go shopping.
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I like the belief, community, or ceremony distinction. That's a good way to grade other churches as you check them out. Then you decide which is the most important to you.

I have some convictions about belief, but inside those convictions I have a lot of movement in ceremony and community (because my belief convictions don't hold me to one denomination)
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I'd recommend speaking with God and doing what God tells you. If God doesn't indicate a Church, then join none of them.
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What a situation for you Kevin. Does the option have to be another church? Why if that is so? From what I have read and learned about you, another church won't cut it either. You appear to me to be a thinker, and that is something religion does NOT want. Smart people scare religion. Religion wants pliable, easy going folks who follow not think. I honestly do not know what else to tell you. Is it because your wife is desiring religion and so you are doing it for her? I have serious doubts you will ever be satisfied with another church, because any organized religion is going to eventually expect and demand of you to conform.
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The right UU Church will have tight-knit social bonds because they tend to be loaded with people after religious community, ritual, and symbolism without fidelity to the mythology. But where you live will determine if you can find one of those.

Madison, WI has that community, but it's a very liberal town and their main meeting house happens to be one of Frank Lloyd Wright's works of architectural brilliance, which itself is a draw.
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For me, if I were to believe again, it would be Roman Catholicism.

If I was looking for highly organized social group, then United Methodism.

My local Unitarian church's philosophy is "reason and reverence". (Some here will no doubt think I need a dose of reverence.)

I believe that where you live, Kevin, Southern Baptist is the predominant faith (I may be wrong). In any event, I think that part of the Mormon appeal to many is to be part of a merry little band of believers in the minority, akin to the Mormon persecution complex. If that is part of the requirement, then you would not want to join up with the predominant group.

However, if you can possibly leverage a marketing angle for your skills and wares through church participation, then I think you might want to go the Southern Baptist route.
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Kevin,

In my household, the wife ultimatum is the reverse of yours. My wife has repeatedly told me that I am free to believe whatever I may want, but if I join and begin participating in a religion, it's a deal breaker for our marriage. (For me, those are very comfortable conditions.)
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Re: Serious Question: What other Church compares to Mormonis

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Kevin Graham wrote:I'm in search for another church,


If you need to, your choice. You need to know, that what I'm about to say IS serious, and is sincere. You mock me, but I've been where you are to the degree I allowed. If you were really interested in truth, and right, you would instead of mocking, you would try to understand, even if you never agree. You attitude makes everything.

and I'm looking for something like Mormonism


There is nothing "like" Mormonism, save in a distant sense.


without all the whacky doctrines and untenable truth claims.


1. False premise.... It is your perverted and false views of Mormonism that make it wacky and untenable. I know because I've been you (to a degree anyway). I know how and why you view the Church the way you do, and why and how those views are false.

You need to learn that it is YOU who have become "wacky" and embracing of "untenable truth claims". You have become a destroyer of light, a warrior for darkness. This is the main reason I stopped judging religion, and especially the Church when I was wayward, because I realized what side I was actually jumping on. Because whatever the faults of religion, what they may or may not be, religion and it's people are of the light..... By condemning it and attempting to destroy it, and lead others from it, I become death..... just as you do.....

2. It's impossible for you to join "any" religion, because of your views against religion. Your only option is to simply seek "spirituality", such as with Zen, Taoism, Meditation, etc., to look at Christ as simply a "good teacher" one of many. You now embrace reletivism and the dark side, thus relative belief is the only thing you can embrace and feel comfortable, since you aren't interested in the "rules" and so-called "wackyness" of religion. Again, been there done that.....

3. The Church IS the only true and living Church on the earth. Your falability as a human, and your willing choice to pre-judge when you don't have all the facts, and understand all the facts, is where you go wrong, and why nearly every word you say against the Church is entirely false and a perversion of the truth.

When I was ready to know what was true, if there was a true religion.... I again studied all the various religions of the earth. But again, nothing simply came close. Nothing qualified. Only the Church had the necessary qualifications to be a true religion. Then, I studied to see if it was actually true. And, turns out it was. I had pre-judged the Church, when I really didn't understand fully the issues I was judging it on. I cherry picked the negative seeming thinking that was the actual truth, like you all cherry pick. But, this time around, I was interested in only the absolute truth having no judgment one way or the other. And because of that FAITH, the full facts came to view, I saw things I hadn't seen before, because I had hate and impatience blinding me before, just like you all do.

You know there are positives in Mormonism, like the strong sense of community and focus on family, etc.


Nearly any religion does that, take your pick. Of course, generally only the "organized" religions. Spirituality type philosophy's and practices don't really have those practices, unless of course you join some cult, which I'm sure you have reason enough not to do.

Has anyone come across a list of Churches comparable to Mormonism? I don't remember this ever being asked before.


There are none according to your parameters.

I've gotta substitute Mormonism with something or else I'm getting a divorce. So I'm looking for genuine responses, not smart ass comments.


Do you really need more evidence that you are on the dark side?
It's one thing to disagree or not believe in religion, and even thinking it is of mans mind, it is however another for this kind of hate.

You are capable of being a great man Kevin..... but sadly the devil knows it too, and you willingly give him power over you, tempting your base nature, your base judgments, etc.

You can mock me all you want..... But I have been where you are. Your pride, your arrogance, your unrighteous judgments is blinding you from being able to learn more, the more that would provide the answers you need.

There is a part of you that still knows that there is something different about the Church, compared to other religions. Fight it as you do, you know it..... That is the Light of Christ in you, trying to show you the way. But, instead, you judge, you judge unrighteously.

Further, you suffer a serious fallacy...... Mormonism has such great Community AND Family BECAUSE OF our religion..... not in spite of it.

False religion does not create greatness..... The more true religion is, the greater people it creates. I live in Provo now Kevin..... It's amazing the contrast to the world..... I saw it when visiting before, but living here..... so many good people around me.

The Gospel of Christ makes bad men good, and good men better Kevin.
If you don't start figuring that out, and put away your judgments of the things and people of light in this world, then you will be forever lost. I thank God that I wasn't anti-mormon and anti-religion long, that after a long argument with a good man in the Church of the things I thought were wrong with the Church, I realized that I wasn't on the side of the light in that endeavor. The hate in me, the arrogance, the judgment. I was wise enough then that I had seen the same in anti-mormons already. I didn't want to become like them, so ingrained in their hate and pride, that they ceased learning and progressing, and their bitterness, their contempt of the things and people of good in this world.

Anyway, you choose the man you want to be Kevin..... In your every action and judgment you choose what side of light and darkness you are on. You and the rest of you need to start learning to be much more careful. Just look at yourself..... You say terrible things about good people of this Church, whether they are intellectuals, or whether they are leaders of it.

If God exists, or even if Truth and Right exists..... does God and Truth and Right destroy good??? or does evil seek to destroy good??? You are not on the side of light Kevin, whatever your views are personally. You endeavor to destroy light. As such, you will only destroy yourself and those around you.
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Kevin Graham wrote:I'm in search for another church, and I'm looking for something like Mormonism without all the whacky doctrines and untenable truth claims. You know there are positives in Mormonism, like the strong sense of community and focus on family, etc.

Has anyone come across a list of Churches comparable to Mormonism? I don't remember this ever being asked before.

I've gotta substitute Mormonism with something or else I'm getting a divorce. So I'm looking for genuine responses, not smart ass comments.



Community of Christ?

Catholic Church? Honestly I think if I were not still LDS and wanted to have Christian religion I would pick the Catholic Church.

I am curious though Kev, where are you at with your own personal belief in God as well as the divinity of Jesus Christ, if you don't mind sharing.

Also, is your my wife amenable to participating in another Church?
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[quote="SteelHead"]If the option is church or divorce just head back to the local wardhouse. Take your smart phone and some ear plugs. Surf the web and plug your ears so you don't have to listen to the mind melting drek.

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This is not bad advice though there are days it is tough. My guess Kevin is that it would be really tough for you.
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