liz3564 wrote:Nightlion wrote:Kevin, curious how you got a message or answer from God telling you Spencer Kimball was his spokesman and yet managed to live a life filled with doubt about God's actual existence? Makes me think the testimony was very subjective. It did nothing to advance you to the stage where you 'know the Lord'.
This is the sort of damages done by LDS leaders of a gospel-lite or McGospel that does not get down to the power of the gospel way down in the depths of humility like where King Benjamin was able to take his people and where every prophet who ever taught the gospel successfully in scripture got his contacts to go. Why is it Mormons refuse to go where the scriptures tell them the gifts and powers are? I really would like to know why it is they refuse. Any clues?
I know it is because LDS leaders fail to promote it and so they are basically telling people to believe it not and weaken faith and abuse the innocent who trust them. A crime of eternal consequence. Why are Mormons unconcerned? If they were molesting children could they get away with that too. Why allow them to spiritually abuse the members with lite gospel that never has the power to know God for certain and enter into where God himself will teach you. hmm?
Do you think by going out among the members with this question you will find one who will stand up to it and seek justice for so many? I doubt it seriously.
Nightlion, I know you have probably mentioned this before, but I have forgotten, or perhaps missed it.
Where, exactly, do you believe the "split" with the true Church occurred? I know that you believe that Joseph Smith was a true prophet. Do you feel the same way about Brigham Young? Which, of the modern prophets led the Church astray, in your estimation?
Thanks Liz:
From the beginning. Joseph Smith agreed with this assessment.
"I will have a reformation, the church must be cleansed."
Joseph Smith Nauvoo 1842
Note that the following validation of the Church was very early in 1831.
D&C 1:30
30 And also those to whom these commandments were given, might have power to lay the foundation of this church, and to bring it forth out of obscurity and out of darkness, the only true and living church upon the face of the whole earth, with which I, the Lord, am well pleased, speaking unto the church collectively and not individually— The difference between the ONLY TRUE CHURCH with which the Lord IS well pleased and every other church is if it continues by his POWER or not. The power of the gospel was realized by a handful of early saints. The fact that this power never was added upon to build up a real Zion condemns the entire effort.
The general Kirtland apostasy after all the spiritual manifestations at the temple dedication was a huge blow, the failure of Zion's camp to actually redeem Zion, was another manifestation of a compromised, contaminated, and defiled church. Then being cast out bodily from off the holy land of the New Jerusalem was fete compli. Joseph was despondent ever after. He knew from that point on he could only set up the church in a hibernation sort of mode that would keep priesthood and keys and some virtue residuals much the same as Ancient Israel passed through these episodes of apostasy and reformation time and again. So long as the Lord will suffer with them. But suffering Lord mode is not THE ONLY TRUE CHURCH WITH WHICH I THE LORD AM WELL PLEASED. The LDS have made considerable hay out of it all the same.
Things are much more dire today than they ever were up to now. Never did the Church cast out the righteous as it has today. And that tears it. The loss of the Restoration was no happenstance. Lorenzo Snow was visited of God's power and truly wrought upon and born of God. Quickly he fell and that sort only fall unto perdition if they do fall.
So you had a GUY in prominent church leadership who was a militant enemy of Jesus Christ seeking to turn things up-side-down craftily after the likeness and image of the world. He succeeded perfectly.
So the adage of LDS leadership being esteemed incapable of leading the church astray is beyond absurd. The tares militantly came in to the church like a flood from England to finesse matters such that when a man did stand up among the people, who was filled with the gift and power of God, it was counted for a thing of naught and Gordon B. Hinckley told all the local authorities to ignore it and believe it NOT!
Thusly has the LDS Church officially sinned against the gospel which has been taken from among them. It will never happen that the LDS Church will redeem Zion or even approach it. They have become their own church after the likeness and image of the world and are fallen with the rest of Babylon. First spiritually then temporally shall they fall and great shall be the fall thereof.
True enough people are able to get as much fellowship and warmth and pretense with God in the Mormon Church as with any. So it will continue. Anyone interested in obtaining the power of the gospel will need to be excellently schooled in the actual discipline and performance requisite against this age of Satan's lying wonders.
No small task so pray that the Lord might have compassion and sufficiently draw a people unto him in truth and righteousness.