Creedal Trinity misunderstood by LDS

[_subgenius]

Rephrased question. Given that Mormonism teaches an "eternal progression" and under that principle God was once a man who live on an earth like ours, gained a body and exaltation, and became the God of this world...how is it possible that his son was able to skip the process and jump to godhood before he gained a body. How, too, can the Holy Spirit be a god when he, even now, does not have a body. I think those are simple questions which point up flaws in the scenario but since I don't accept any of it, I am just curious as to how it is explained.

again same answer would apply...your error is the same as someone who would ask "can God make a rock so heavy that He can not lift it?"

perhaps you could provide some citations?

redux:
There is no reason that the deification of man is the means by which The Father, the Son, or the HG came into being, especially if it is understood that all have always existed.
perhaps you should research imago dei and rephrase your question?

[_Albion]

Well, my question is based upon Mormon theology as it is understood by the vast majority of Mormons. Is it they who are out of step or you?

[_LittleNipper]

Mittens, as usual, you don't know what you are talking about! The doctrine of the trinity is the doctrine of three Gods as one being just as it has been defined! If you believe that they are separate "beings," then you are preaching Mormon doctrine!

Bad analogy Hipper! However, unlike Mittens, at least you are being more honest about the stupid doctrine. Nipper, the Godhead is nothing like an egg! An egg is, well, just an egg...one egg. The Godhead consists of three separate persons with three separate minds! It doesn't talk or pray to itself to itself as an insane person would!!!

The Godhead consists of three perfect minds that totally agree in everything always and perfectly. Jesus was/is the Christ; however, as the baby, boy, grown man called Jesus --- He made himself a human. Jesus was exposed to all the frailties of our humanity, because that is what Christ, the Father, and the Holy Spirit needed to do. To accomplish that, Christ emptied Himself and so didn't know everything as a maturing individual and relied on God the Father to then reveal what Jesus needed to do/know as God the Father allowed it to happen. Jesus -- as a man --- would have to pray for revelation, as would any man. In that way, Jesus also became our perfect example and not some "insane person." That is why satan even tried to influence Jesus. He knew Christ was as vulnerable as he'd ever imagined possible. All satan had to do was change Bible prophecy --- just a little.

[_Mittens]

Being is a word that means Godhead not person

Substance God Godhead Essence and being are the same, always singular, persons is always plural

please provide evidence chapter and verse I'm wrong . Rather than your fales assumptions

the burden of proof is on you, for you have made the claim. LINK
we can wait...

already have posted the Latin word substantia and meaning, its the word we get Substance from. Why not post something that says the Evangelics believe the Godhead is same person, since We believe there three separate and distinct persons

[_gdemetz]

Mittens, you, Albion, and Nipper are just dancing around the issue of "one Being"! Wikepedia defines the Trinity concept very clearly and correctly, and it is not what you guys are trying to dance around! It states that the one being is just a "MYSTERY"! And, I may add a very stupid one since if they were one being, why would one pray to Himself!!!

Everyone can easily see what you guys are doing here! You are trying to make the doctrine of the trinity sound like it is rational and not a mystery, but that is a lie! It is a mystery and it is totally irrational!!!

"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine {but will invent unsound mysteries}...and shall be turned unto fables."

[_subgenius]

the Trinitarian platform contains three planks: (1) there is but one God; (2) the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God; (3) Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are eternally distinct.

The first plank underscores that there is only one God. Christianity is not polytheistic but fiercely monotheistic. “You are my witnesses, declares the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor will there be one after me” (Isaiah 43:10, The second plank emphasizes that in hundreds of Scripture passages the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are declared to be fully and completely God. As a case in point, the apostle Paul says that, “there is but one God the Father” (1 Corinthians 8:6). The Father, speaking of the Son, says, “Your throne, O God, will last forever and forever” (Hebrews 1:8). And when Ananias “lied to the Holy Spirit,” Peter points out that he had “not lied to men but to God” (Acts 5:3–4).

The third plank of the Trinitarian platform asserts that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are eternally distinct. Scripture clearly portrays subject/object relationships between Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. For example, the Father and Son love one another, speak to each other (John 17:1–26), and together send the Holy Spirit (John 15:26). Additionally, Jesus proclaims that he and the Father are two distinct witnesses and two distinct judges (John 8:14–18). If Jesus were himself the Father, his argument would have been not only irrelevant but also fatally flawed; and if such were the case, he could not have been fully God.

what a bunch of babble (and just because you write "clearly" does not make it so...try using actual facts)
The bottom line is that the "trinity" is not scriptural, the early church had no issue to resolve, perhaps you should understand the creed's genesis.
you trying to sell the idea that one god is actually three gods is "fiercely monotheistic" has every Jewish and Islamic faith member rolling their eyes. (i honestly don't know who you are trying to convince because it seems as if you are trying to talk yourself into it)
The "plank" metaphor is completely strange except that you seem to be walking one....a short one
you cherry-pick scripture without any knowledge of their meaning

what is evident is that you can not make up your mind...you are confounded and though you have been trained by t-shirt designs that exclaim "saved!" "born again!" and "WWJD" you have never fully realized what it is you actually believe in.....read the scriptures, not just cut-n-paste, but actually read them for yourself.

[_subgenius]

already have posted the Latin word substantia and meaning, its the word we get Substance from. Why not post something that says the Evangelics believe the Godhead is same person, since We believe there three separate and distinct persons

post the whole latin dictionary, so what?
the greeks introduced this whole notion onto the original Hebrew text (note that Hebrew is not Latin), and Hebrew has no term for what you are so fervently trying to impose upon the scriptures....you have no scriptural basis for the creed.

and where, all of a sudden, does "person" fit into all of this...you are slipping and sliding my friend

[_gdemetz]

Amen Subgenius! Why sub?

[_subgenius]

The Godhead consists of three perfect minds that totally agree in everything always and perfectly. Jesus was/is the Christ; however, as the baby, boy, grown man called Jesus ---

i think you are mixing your theology, psychology, philosophy....a bit of pontificating is afoot!

He made himself a human. Jesus was exposed to all the frailties of our humanity, because that is what Christ, the Father, and the Holy Spirit needed to do.

are you sure? pretty sure His foot was not bruised until the end, so exactly what "frailties" was He exposed to? hunger? greed? lust?

To accomplish that, Christ emptied Himself and so didn't know everything as a maturing individual and relied on God the Father to then reveal what Jesus needed to do/know as God the Father allowed it to happen.

got a scripture reference for this conclusion?...especially the episodes around Him as a "maturing individual"

Jesus -- as a man --- would have to pray for revelation, as would any man. In that way, Jesus also became our perfect example and not some "insane person." That is why satan even tried to influence Jesus. He knew Christ was as vulnerable as he'd ever imagined possible. All satan had to do was change Bible prophecy --- just a little.

[_subgenius]

Amen Subgenius! Why sub?

old old joke