MsJack wrote:This whole thing has struck me as "much ado about nothing." There's nothing wrong with people deciding to patronize or boycott a business based on how that business is committing itself politically. Scott Lloyd is free to patronize Chik-Fil-A based on his agreement with their opposition to SSM. Other people are free to boycott them based on the same. His gushing about the quality of the food there is good for lulz, but that's about it.
I switched to a pescetarian diet a few months ago, so I don't think I'll be darkening the door of a Chik-Fil-A anytime soon, but it isn't because I'm boycotting them.
Boilermaker wrote:As for the CEO's statement that he and the leaders of the company accept the Biblical definition of marriage...
And what is that definition?
Never mind, I just checked my Bible. It appears to include taking multiple wives and countless concubines, buying wives, forcing a woman to marry her rapist, stealing women from neighboring tribes and marrying them, taking over the wife of a dead brother, and much more.
That's awesome of him.
Check it again, and this time look for the part known as the New Testament.
Milesius wrote: Check it again, and this time look for the part known as the New Testament.
Since when has the Old Testament not been part of the Bible?
Also, where does the New Testament denounce, repudiate, condemn, or otherwise expressly contradict the Old Testament marriage arrangements? LDS prophets have found in the New Testament support for polygamy.
"The Church is authoritarian, tribal, provincial, and founded on a loosely biblical racist frontier sex cult."--Juggler Vain "The LDS church is the Amway of religions. Even with all the soap they sell, they still manage to come away smelling dirty."--Some Schmo
Milesius wrote:Check it again, and this time look for the part known as the New Testament.
Where is marriage defined in the New Testament, and how is it defined there? Also, is this definition expressly limited?
Krose, you're talking to Milesius here.
If I recall the Western Catholic teaching rightly, the New Testament tells him how Jesus founded a continuing institution (the church) to represent him on earth after he had departed in the body, and committed its care to Peter and his successors. That institution was given the magisterium (teaching authority) to unfold doctrines not made explicit in the scriptures, and to lay down for the faithful essential disciplines regarding such things as how many wives they could have, and so on.
So even though explicit references to marriage in the New Testament are relatively few and made in specific contexts, the doctrines someone like Milesius holds (if I read him rightly) are seen in a quite strong sense as NT-based.
Zadok: I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis. Maksutov: That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
My wife and I just recently vowed not to step into Chick-fil-A again. Not only do they have a stale marketing image, but their cuisine is mediocre at best. The fact that they take an openly antagonistic position toward gay marriage sealed the deal.
That I now know where not to go if I want to avoid running into Scott Lloyd is just icing on the cake.
Thanks for the information, Doctor.
Would you also boycott a kosher deli owned by Hasidics because they, too, do not believe in same-sexed marriages?
Catherine Aurelia wrote: Would you also boycott a kosher deli owned by Hasidics because they, too, do not believe in same-sexed marriages?
Did they give millions of dollars to groups that fight gay rights, including groups that pushed hysterical homophobia in Africa that directly led to things like the "kill the gays" bill in Uganda? Because if my local deli funded propaganda that backed the systematic killing of gays in African countries, I probably would not want to eat there.
Catherine Aurelia wrote: Would you also boycott a kosher deli owned by Hasidics because they, too, do not believe in same-sexed marriages?
Did they give millions of dollars to groups that fight gay rights, including groups that pushed hysterical homophobia in Africa that directly led to things like the "kill the gays" bill in Uganda? Because if my local deli funded propaganda that backed the systematic killing of gays in African countries, I probably would not want to eat there.
They may have - the Hasidics are quite well off. Hey, if you don't like your church's position, the Episcopal Church with its rainbow flags will welcome you - and doctrine is never an issue.
Catherine Aurelia wrote:Hey, if you don't like your church's position, the Episcopal Church with its rainbow flags will welcome you - and doctrine is never an issue.
EAllusion is atheist. I don't believe he has a church.
"It seems to me that these women were the head (κεφάλαιον) of the church which was at Philippi." ~ John Chrysostom, Homilies on Philippians 13