You'll rejoice when you see your children in hell

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You'll rejoice when you see your children in hell

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I was listening to EWTN on the radio last week and during Patrick Madrid's call-in show a woman said she can't see how she will be happy in heaven knowing that one of her children was in hell. Madrid's answer was that Catholic belief is that we would be so in one with God that we would rejoice seeing our children in hell knowing they were there because of God's justice and respect for free will. So much for "Will the Circle Be Unbroken."

Is that the way Mormons think too? I've never noticed that particular line of thinking among the LDS. I think LDS would say they would grieve to see their child lost from them in heaven. Am I wrong?
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I'm not a Mormon; however, my Biblical based Christian belief is that God will remove all memory of everything that hurts us. The memory of those in hell will be wiped away. It will be as though they never existed. The saved get a new life. The damned will exist forever with all their "if only's."
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Boilermaker wrote:I was listening to EWTN on the radio last week and during Patrick Madrid's call-in show a woman said she can't see how she will be happy in heaven knowing that one of her children was in hell. Madrid's answer was that Catholic belief is that we would be so in one with God that we would rejoice seeing our children in hell knowing they were there because of God's justice and respect for free will. So much for "Will the Circle Be Unbroken."

Is that the way Mormons think too? I've never noticed that particular line of thinking among the LDS. I think LDS would say they would grieve to see their child lost from them in heaven. Am I wrong?


This is not what LDS scriptures teach. Not even close. Salvation comes to all except a very small few and according to early restoration leaders. even those had a shot at redemption eventually.
"In my more rebellious days I tried to doubt the existence of the sacred, but the universe kept dancing and life kept writing poetry across my life." ~ David N. Elkins, 1998, Beyond Religion, p. 81
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LittleNipper wrote:I'm not a Mormon; however, my Biblical based Christian belief is that God will remove all memory of everything that hurts us. The memory of those in hell will be wiped away. It will be as though they never existed. The saved get a new life. The damned will exist forever with all their "if only's."



Is God perfectly just according to your view?

Would it be just to suffer infinite punishment for finite sins?
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LittleNipper wrote:
Boilermaker wrote:I was listening to EWTN on the radio last week and during Patrick Madrid's call-in show a woman said she can't see how she will be happy in heaven knowing that one of her children was in hell. Madrid's answer was that Catholic belief is that we would be so in one with God that we would rejoice seeing our children in hell knowing they were there because of God's justice and respect for free will. So much for "Will the Circle Be Unbroken."

Is that the way Mormons think too? I've never noticed that particular line of thinking among the LDS. I think LDS would say they would grieve to see their child lost from them in heaven. Am I wrong?


I'm not a Mormon; however, my Biblical based Christian belief is that God will remove all memory of everything that hurts us. The memory of those in hell will be wiped away. It will be as though they never existed. The saved get a new life. The damned will exist forever with all their "if only's."

Divine senility, that's the ticket.
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LittleNipper wrote:
Boilermaker wrote:I was listening to EWTN on the radio last week and during Patrick Madrid's call-in show a woman said she can't see how she will be happy in heaven knowing that one of her children was in hell. Madrid's answer was that Catholic belief is that we would be so in one with God that we would rejoice seeing our children in hell knowing they were there because of God's justice and respect for free will. So much for "Will the Circle Be Unbroken."

Is that the way Mormons think too? I've never noticed that particular line of thinking among the LDS. I think LDS would say they would grieve to see their child lost from them in heaven. Am I wrong?


I'm not a Mormon; however, my Biblical based Christian belief is that God will remove all memory of everything that hurts us. The memory of those in hell will be wiped away. It will be as though they never existed. The saved get a new life. The damned will exist forever with all their "if only's."


Wouldn't it make more sense to believe that God uses hell as a way to bring people to heaven? Rather than hell simply being retribution it is a place for correction. There are Biblically based Christians who understand it that way. If you google "Christian universalism" you might get the alternative view. Even some of the Church Fathers understood it that way until Augustinian Christianity tossed it. Almost all of Christianity's problems can be traced to Augustine in my view, but I don't have time to go into that here.
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:question: :question: :question:

Wouldn't it make more sense to believe that God uses hell as a way to bring people to heaven? Rather than hell simply being retribution it is a place for correction.
That is purgatory. Protestants in general suffer from black-and-white thinking because of the rejection of purgatory
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If the concept of a just and loving God roasting people in Hell for all eternity for such things as making love to someone, or stealing a loaf of bread, or saying "God damnit!", is too ridiculous to believe, I have to suggest that the concept that God does all this, but makes us forget our former loved ones so we don't know this is going on, doesn't really help.
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Hell is make-believe. It was made up by religion to scare people.

Satan is the adult version of the boogeyman. "If you don't eat all your vegetables, the boogeyman will get you".

"If you don't go to church and pay them money, Satan will get you."

That's scarey, and very effective.
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Boilermaker wrote:Madrid's answer was that Catholic belief is that we would be so in one with God that we would rejoice seeing our children in hell knowing they were there because of God's justice and respect for free will.

Is that the way Mormons think too?

I remember a visiting general authority giving a list of character traits of a person who absolutely could not have the spirit with them and I specifically remember this one:

"If a person is happy when bad things happen to another person, they do not have the spirit of the Lord with them."

So....the proper Mormon answer to your question is "No, Mormons do not think that way".

But....the actual answer is that most of them seem to enjoy holding that threat over us heathens who have left the church. They love to remind us that we will not be able to be in the CK with our families, etc., and will suffer greatly because of our sinful choices.
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