Creedal Trinity misunderstood by LDS

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I think the Amplfied is the best and most accurate of Phil 2:

5 Let this same attitude and purpose and [humble] mind be in you which was in Christ Jesus: [Let Him be your example in humility:]

6 Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God [[b]possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not [c]think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped [d]or retained,
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From Tim tebows Father's site a Evangelic Christian site

We believe God is Trinity, which means that He is one God who has eternally existed in three persons, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Each one is fully God. God is completely unified in His diversity. All persons of the Trinity are equal in essence, nature, and substance, but they are different in persons. All things are from the Father, through the Son, and by the Holy Spirit. Each person of the Godhead shares all the attributes of God, including eternality, freedom, holiness, righteousness, immutability, omniscience, omnipresence, omnipotence, happiness, wisdom, sovereignty, perfection, goodness, and justice, grace, and mercy. God is holy, which means that he is transcendent over creation. He is the source of life. Nothing exists apart from His sustaining power. Matthew 28:18–19; Mark 12:29; John 1:14; Acts 5:3–4; 2 Corinthians 13:14; Hebrews 1:1–3; Revelation 1:4–6.
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Mittens, I do not disagree with your post on Jesus' knowledge of his eventual death and resurrection. Certainly by the time his work began and during it he was fully aware. I am not sure as to whether he fully understood that as a child which leaves open the thought or idea that he grew in knowledge as he matured.
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Albion I agree he grew in knowledge and he was subject to his parents as a child, so the Almighty God was

Phil 2
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus,
who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,
but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.
Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth,
and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in

2 Cor 8:

8 speak not by commandment, but I am testing the sincerity of your love by the diligence of others. 9 For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though He was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, that you through His poverty might become rich.

Luke 2:

Then He went down with them and came to Nazareth, and was subject to them, but His mother kept all these things in her heart.
And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.
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Mittens, I realize that Tim Tebow' father must undoubtedly be a great theologian. However, he is also stating that one God has existed through three persons, which is the same old s*^%%. It still the ONE BEING in three!!! That is a false twinkling doctrine! You can;t seem to be mentally able to grasp this, but there is no ONE BEING to it!!! It is a "GODHEAD" (the correct Biblical term) which has three SEPARATE BEINGS in it, and all three separate beiings are simpl;yh worshiped as one God!!!!!
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Joseph Smith Jr disagrees with you

Joseph Smith said the Trinity is three gods.
"I have always declared God to be a distinct personage, Jesus Christ a separate and distinct personage from God the Father, and the Holy Ghost was a distinct personage and a Spirit: and these three constitute three distinct personages and three Gods," (Teachings of Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 370).
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My gosh! [non-Celestial language deleted]! How many times will I have to repeat the same thing?!? Yes! They are three separate and distinct Gods, and that is also what I believe!!! They are just worshiped as one "Godhead"!!!!!!!
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gdemetz wrote:My gosh! You seem so dense! How many times will I have to repeat the same thing?!? Yes! They are three separate and distinct Gods, and that is also what I believe!!! They are just worshiped as one "Godhead"!!!!!!!


So you admit to being a polytheist?

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The Holy Ghost is not jipped out of a body. When His ministry with His spirit body is completed, then He will take on a body just as Christ did.
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I love creeds. They are simplistic statements meant to give weight to supposed implied or otherwise teachings developing out of the 4th (and later) centuries.

http://www.pleaseconvinceme.com/index/The_Need_for_Creeds

This link above is a ridiculous example of defending creedalism.

I also wanted to address the whole Trinity monstrosity.

Patripassianism is a heresy according to 'orthodox' Christianity. In NO WAY, according to New Testament theology and scripture, did the Father die for the sins of the world. Not in His own form or the form of another being. To suggest so is to commit heresy and blaspheme against the entity and nature that is the Father who is SEPARATE from the Son.
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