Bill Hamblin on the Future of Mormon Studies

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Re: Bill Hamblin on the Future of Mormon Studies

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MrStakhanovite wrote:Anyone else bothered by this?

Hamblin wrote:It’s really breathtaking to watch political correctness run amok in the academy. (My favorite example was a session on “Eco-feminism, food and pets.” I’m not making this up.)

Didn't really need to say that, I thought.

I'm curious to know more about this session that exemplified "political correctness run amok." I google'd "Eco-feminism, food and pets" and one of the first results that came up was this paper here. The author says she presented versions of the paper at conferences in April 1990 and June 1990. I haven't read the paper yet, but the title, "Ecofeminism and the Eating of Animals," doesn't strike me as being quite as silly as "Eco-feminism, food and pets." (It may be a silly paper still; I don't know. I won't have time to read it until tomorrow.) Her presentations at conferences were called "Ecofeminism: The Woman/Earth Connection" and "Women's Worlds: Realities and Choices, Fourth International Interdisciplinary Congress on Women," also not necessarily silly. This paper was published in Spring 1991. The meeting for the American Academy of Religion was held in November 1990.

Then I did searches for the specific phrase "eco-feminism, food and pets" and "ecofeminism, food and pets." The former only yielded the recent entries from Hamblin. But the latter yielded this:

"Such a phenomenon as this should attract study and attention from the outside world. Has it? On the whole, no. At the recent annual joint meeting of the American Academy of Religion and the Society of Biblical Literature, papers were given on topics including "Ecofeminism, Food and Pets," "Howard Thurman and the Civil Rights Movement: Interpreter and Enabler from the Underside of History," and "Over the Rainbow: Utopian Configurations in Hollywood Fantasy Films"--to choose entirely at random from the more than one thousand titles--but nothing, nothing whatsoever, dealt with Mormonism. Not a single session, not one paper, was devoted to the fastest growing major religion in America." ~ Daniel C. Peterson, FARMS Review of Books 2.1, 1990.

And this:

"However, I share your wish that more serious attention were given to the Book of Mormon. Jacob Neusner, the eminent rabbinic scholar, has complained in print about the neglect of the Book of Mormon among non-LDS academics, and he is not alone. Mormonism in general is neglected as a scholarly topic to a surprising degree. Year after year I've participated in the annual national joint meeting of the American Academy of Religion and the Society of Biblical Literature -- by far the largest gathering of scholars of religion (not necessarily religious scholars) in the world. Generally, there are no sessions and few if any individual papers on Mormonism -- I typically present on Islamic topics -- though there are routinely entire panels and sessions devoted to (and I'm not making any of these up) the religious significance of Madonna's music videos; ecofeminism, food, and pets; theological defense of pedophilia; and minutely detailed sociological studies of religious groups with relatively tiny memberships and very ephemeral lifespans. This has long puzzled me, even though, truth be told, sometimes I'm pretty happy that we aren't being pawed over by some of the folks at the AAR/SBL." ~ Daniel C. Peterson on the MADB board, October 2004

So, obviously Hamblin is echoing Peterson here.

I guess what I'd like to know is if there really was a session on "Ecofeminism, Food and Pets" at the AAR and who presented it? Did someone at AAR ape Ms. Adams' research topic? Or did Ms. Adams present at AAR and not mention it in her paper? Or is a session that Ms. Carol J. Adams presented at other conferences being given a silly summarizing title?
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Re: Bill Hamblin on the Future of Mormon Studies

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MsJack wrote:I guess what I'd like to know is if there really was a session on "Ecofeminism, Food and Pets" at the AAR and who presented it? Did someone at AAR ape Ms. Adams' research topic? Or did Ms. Adams present at AAR and not mention it in her paper? Or is a session that Ms. Carol J. Adams presented at other conferences being given a silly summarizing title?


Nice job MsJack. I wonder how Bill would respond if someone called him on it.
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Re: Bill Hamblin on the Future of Mormon Studies

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I hope that, amidst all this Schryver hullaballoo, that people don't overlook this very interesting thread, where LifeOnaPlate is making utter mincemeat out of Bill Hamblin:

http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/585 ... e__st__100

Hamblin is practically quaking with barely controlled rage:

Bill Hamblin wrote:Frankly, I don't have to take this type of crap from you.


Hamblin wrote:Blair, this is just plain nuts.


Lol!!

ETA: Check this out--

LifeOnaPlate wrote:It's been made known to me that one of the participants in the dialogue in this thread has been placed in a moderation queue. (Can you guess who it is?) Oddly enough, this person has actually been more moderate and civil in tone than I have. (I've employed a bit of Hamblin-esque snark.) More importantly, this person has substantively contributed to the discussion and is now being restricted for apparently arbitrary reasons. I used to be a moderator on this board. I know such decisions are largely ad hoc and behind the scenes. In this case, it seems to be an unjustified decision. And a silent one. And one that Hamblin himself would probably object to.

If I could toilet paper your houses, I would seriously consider it at this point.
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Re: Bill Hamblin on the Future of Mormon Studies

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You go, LOaP. I am a huge fan of this guy.
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Honestly I am surprised that they have allowed Blair to go after Bill so stridently (since Bill is most assuredly one of their favored apologists that gets to say whatever he pleases).

It is probably due to his personal history with some of the moderators, but we'll see how they react now that Blair is going after them (they really don't like getting called out like that).
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Kishkumen wrote:You go, LOaP. I am a huge fan of this guy.


Hamblin is angrily and obsessively pounding out post after post, insisting that he's been "misread," although--bummer for him!--he is now rather hilariously trying to qualify all of his past comments be insisting that he didn't actually mean "Mormon Studies"; no, he actually meant "Mormon religious studies!" Lol! He offered up as an example the fact that no one can get a degree in "Mormon Studies," and yet he then went on to adduce "Mormon history" as a legitimate, academic field of study!
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Re: Bill Hamblin on the Future of Mormon Studies

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I've had to seriously reconsider my impression of LOAP.
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Re: Bill Hamblin on the Future of Mormon Studies

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MrStakhanovite wrote:I've had to seriously reconsider my impression of LOAP.


Yeah. AFAICT, he's changed enormously since "The Good Ol' Days."
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Re: Bill Hamblin on the Future of Mormon Studies

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MrStakhanovite wrote:I've had to seriously reconsider my impression of LOAP.


Really? Was he at one time a fanboy of the old guard at FARMS? Regardless, I am sure that the two of you would disagree on a great many things.
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Re: Bill Hamblin on the Future of Mormon Studies

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Bill has flipped his crap, when LOAP asked him for evidence in his post of him "moralizing and psychologizing" Hamblin instead of making points, he quoted LOAP and bolded the following words:

The main problem I have with Hamblin's piece is that it fails to engage any actual people, any actual arguments, aside from a brief, dismissive reference to Claremont. Hamblin doesn't define Mormon studies. Instead, he rhetorically denigrates it by referring to it as a “fad,” and offers up a caricature which can’t actually be verified by readers without considerable assumptions on the part of any given reader. Rhetorically, he has set himself up to win an easy victory against precisely no one.


I lol'ed at Bill thinking "a caricature" is a prime example of "moralizing and psychologizing"
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