What part(s) of Joseph's magic would you incorporate today?

[_huckelberry]

Dale speaks clearly again. It is a definitive post whose follow up repeats itself, perhaps like ground hog day, again and again.

That is until the only workable relation to the magic is realized, to spit it out before swallowing.

[_Uncle Dale]

...
The value will be sufficient
...

In other news, the Properties and Acquisitions Office of Mormon Church in Salt Lake City
has today announced the purchases of ten acre tracts of undeveloped land near Nauvoo,
Illinois; Kirtland, Ohio, Independence, Missouri; and Manti, Utah, for "undisclosed purposes."

All our attempts to contact the Church's Public Relations Office on this report were
re-routed to the voice-mail of the Presiding Bishop's Division of Franchises and Sales
Promotion, and have so far gone unanswered.

UD

[_Blixa]

Who wouldn't want an iSeerStone?

To answer your question Zeez, I like all of it. I think we all make use of a little sympathetic magic now and then.

Beyond that....well? Who has plumbed the depths of mankind's imagination? I find Joseph Smith to be a very interesting kind of Seeker. And that is no criticism, but ample praise.

[_just me]

Who wouldn't want an iSeerStone?

To answer your question Zeez, I like all of it. I think we all make use of a little sympathetic magic now and then.

Beyond that....well? Who has plumbed the depths of mankind's imagination? I find Joseph Smith to be a very interesting kind of Seeker. And that is no criticism, but ample praise.

I like all of it, too. Then again, I am a witch.

[_huckelberry]

Josephs interesting magic. I have seen that differently at different times and claim no final wisdom to measure it. I do not trust his use of it. I think there is enough magic of a wide variety of kinds that there is no need to sell your soul to be a follower of the magus.

There is magic about which is free. There is magic which people work to produce and share.

I first saw this thread and though of tiring people with a piece of my experience with magic. I am a small town guy with limited access to the arts. I spent a year in high school in Austin Texas in 1967. Being from far away I relied on locals for directions on what music was hot. My best guide came to me saying Janis was to return and play the eleventh door, a locaL folk music venue. We went and watched a girl with long brown hair waring a plain brown dress sing folk songs. It was the standard six string guitar, wooden stool and stage. The songs had a funky blues edge on them and it was a fine evening. Then late in the show she reached deep into her bag and brought out her kazoo and her Joplin. With a few stamps of that foot she proceeded to blown the freaking house down. My memory cannot process it as real. Mojo is what it was.

[_Blixa]

Josephs interesting magic. I have seen that differently at different times and claim no final wisdom to measure it. I do not trust his use of it. I think there is enough magic of a wide variety of kinds that there is no need to sell your soul to be a follower of the magus.

There is magic about which is free. There is magic which people work to produce and share.

I first saw this thread and though of tiring people with a piece of my experience with magic. I am a small town guy with limited access to the arts. I spent a year in high school in Austin Texas in 1967. Being from far away I relied on locals for directions on what music was hot. My best guide came to me saying Janis was to return and play the eleventh door, a locaL folk music venue. We went and watched a girl with long brown hair waring a plain brown dress sing folk songs. It was the standard six string guitar, wooden stool and stage. The songs had a funky blues edge on them and it was a fine evening. Then late in the show she reached deep into her bag and brought out her kazoo and her Joplin. With a few stamps of that foot she proceeded to blown the freaking house down. My memory cannot process it as real. Mojo is what it was.

yes.

[_zeezrom]

What strikes me about Joseph's magic is not so much the objects he used but rather his freedom of thought. Contrast his views against the religious views pinned under the heavy hand of correlation today. Joseph's view of the spiritual world was wandering, edgy, alluring, pop culture, and chaotic. The spiritual world drawn by the current LDS system is controlled, afraid, and austere. I'm happy to explain why I use these adjectives, if you are left wondering.

[_zeezrom]

What a weird thread. I have zero respect for Joseph Smith yet here I am, praising his religious methods.

[_zeezrom]

I think we all make use of a little sympathetic magic now and then.

I think you are right.

[_zeezrom]

Zee, I thought Joseph made it clear the the magic tools were for his use only.

This is because his methods were wild.