Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schryver

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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schry

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DrW wrote:
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These sort of posts bother me.

TAO,

Have you considered the fact that, since his bad behavior was summarized publicly by MsJack, each time the number of current posts regarding Will Schryver on this and other boards drops to "background levels" (for Will) it does not take long for him to do something to re-kindle the issue and thereby re-focus attention on himself?

Why do you think this is?

Could it be that all the posts deriding Will Schryver's bad behavior and the associated attention on WILL constitute his preferred form of crack?

What would be ever do without the attention?

From his behavior, he apparently he has little else.


Nah, I haven't considered that; I don't really watch Will post much. I am more interested in posts by those like DCP and Volgadon. In any case, I would be very careful not to mind-read too much into Will's posts; they seem separate enough from his real life.
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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schry

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Drifting wrote:I think I can safely say that virtually everyone here is absolutely desperate for Will to publish a paper. I don't see how that eventuality will help William though.


Rollo Tomasi wrote:I, for one, would like to read the paper.


Good then, I want to read the paper too.

I'm glad that BYU will not publish it (because Will's rampant public misogyny can only harm BYU's scholarly reputation, no matter how good the article is), but Will should post it on his blog for anyone to read and then judge the scholarship for themselves.


*Shrugs* that may be true. I'll have to wait and see I guess.
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TAO wrote:
Dr. Shades wrote:What is "my position?"

Help me out here.


There are some claims on MDDB, that this thing is being used to discourage Will publishing a paper.

Currently, I don't think they are related. But poking these small jokes at Will, as I said, isn't helping.


Isn't helping with what? They way I'm reading this is that the small jokes directed at Will are eroding your belief that this thing and Will's publishing are not related, right?
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Rollo Tomasi wrote:
TAO wrote:There are some claims on MDDB, that this thing is being used to discourage Will publishing a paper.


I, for one, would like to read the paper. I'm glad that BYU will not publish it (because Will's rampant public misogyny can only harm BYU's scholarly reputation, no matter how good the article is), but Will should post it on his blog for anyone to read and then judge the scholarship for themselves.


And I join you in that desire. There is nothing that Will Schryver could possibly write on the Book of Abraham that would bother me in the least. The idea that I or anyone else fears his scholarship is ludicrous. This is pure projection on Will's part. Those who complained of his misogyny did not fear his scholarship either. What they objected to was the fostering of a female-unfriendly environment in Mormon Studies. The fact that even MDDB stalwarts like calmoriah are not amused by Will's troglodytic comments about individual women should tell those who buy into Will's flights of paranoiac fancy that MsJack acted appropriately in raising these concerns.
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TAO wrote:
Rollo Tomasi wrote:I'm glad that BYU will not publish it (because Will's rampant public misogyny can only harm BYU's scholarly reputation, no matter how good the article is), but Will should post it on his blog for anyone to read and then judge the scholarship for themselves.

*Shrugs* that may be true. I'll have to wait and see I guess.

MsJack put together a very convincing case of Will's misogyny (I just went back and reread her 5/1/11 post), which someone obviously provided to BYU, et al. Any editor preparing to publish a paper by the likes of Will, after his being exposed by MsJack's post, would take that information very, very seriously (particularly at a reputable university like BYU). How can anyone read MsJack's analysis and NOT think BYU did the right thing in quashing Will and his paper? This really is a no-brainer, in my opinion.
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TAO wrote:In any case, I would be very careful not to mind-read too much into Will's posts; they seem separate enough from his real life.


Is that generosity granted to all, or just Will?
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TAO wrote:

Nah, I haven't considered that; I don't really watch Will post much. I am more interested in posts by those like DCP and Volgadon. In any case, I would be very careful not to mind-read too much into Will's posts; they seem separate enough from his real life.


TAO,

Good to see you post here again though given the backlash for doing so at MD&D you may want to limit it here lest you be accused of consorting with anti-Mormons where it seems that being nice to those with whom you disagree is equivalent to supporting them.

Count me also as one who would love to see Will published, though he seems to be his own worst enemy when it comes to that.

As far as mind reading goes, since I do not know either you or Will in real life, I can only judge by what I read online. Should I not evaluate you based on what I see in your posts also? Frankly I don't understand this reasoning that says "hey cut this guy/girl a break- in real life he is really a nice person". For me bad or good behavior is a reflection of the person period. I don't really care where it takes place.
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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schry

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café crema wrote:
TAO wrote:There are some claims on MDDB, that this thing is being used to discourage Will publishing a paper.

Currently, I don't think they are related. But poking these small jokes at Will, as I said, isn't helping.


Isn't helping with what? They way I'm reading this is that the small jokes directed at Will are eroding your belief that this thing and Will's publishing are not related, right?


Yeah, that's about right. And I'd be very disappointed if they were related. You don't do things like this to stop publishment of things.

Alas, I don't think they are related currently.
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TAO wrote:Yeah, that's about right. And I'd be very disappointed if they were related. You don't do things like this to stop publishment of things.


Why would anyone care if Schyrver published his stuff?
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Re: Mormon Apologetics & Misogyny: The Case of William Schry

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Rollo Tomasi wrote:
TAO wrote:*Shrugs* that may be true. I'll have to wait and see I guess.

MsJack put together a very convincing case of Will's misogyny (I just went back and reread her 5/1/11 post), which someone obviously provided to BYU, et al. Any editor preparing to publish a paper by the likes of Will, after his being exposed by MsJack's post, would take that information very, very seriously (particularly at a reputable university like BYU). How can anyone read MsJack's analysis and NOT think BYU did the right thing in quashing Will and his paper? This really is a no-brainer, in my opinion.


I'm not quite so sure. Again, it really depends on what is inside the paper.
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