Is Harry Reid Now Moving Toward Official Church Discipline?

[_Droopy]

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Straight is the gate and narrow is the way, and few there be that find it. The Church is not a "big tent." it is a door, a gate, a "way;" narrow, strictly delimited, and straight, like the iron rod. ...

No Droopy. The gate is is not 'straight', but στενη 'strait' (narrow, tight - as in 'straitjacket', appositely enough). See Matthew 7:14 in KJV. Sorry to mess up your analogy.

That wasn't a bad analogy, it was a typo. I used the wrong word there.

Learn the difference.

Strait is the gate, and narrow is the way. Satisfied now, Chap?

[_Bob Loblaw]

I have strongly criticized each, for a long time, in intellectually substantive terms for intellectually substantive reasons.

This coming from a man who thinks a photo of Julie Newmar is intellectually serious.

[_Chap]

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Straight is the gate and narrow is the way, and few there be that find it. The Church is not a "big tent." it is a door, a gate, a "way;" narrow, strictly delimited, and straight, like the iron rod. ...

No Droopy. The gate is is not 'straight', but στενη 'strait' (narrow, tight - as in 'straitjacket', appositely enough). See Matthew 7:14 in KJV. Sorry to mess up your analogy.

That wasn't a bad analogy, it was a typo. I used the wrong word there.

Learn the difference.

Strait is the gate, and narrow is the way. Satisfied now, Chap?

You wrote "The Church is .... straight, like the iron rod."

You mean you meant to type "The Church is .... strait, like the iron rod." - meaning that the iron rod is narrow?

Naah. That wasn't a typo. You just misunderstood the quote from the Bible because your vocabulary did not include the now somewhat obsolete word 'strait', and so you thought the KJV said 'straight'. Hence your attempt to draw an analogy between the 'straightness' of the Church and the 'straightness' of the iron rod.

Droopy never, ever admits to ignorance.

[_Bob Loblaw]

You wrote "The Church is .... straight, like the iron rod."

You mean you meant to type "The Church is .... strait, like the iron rod." - meaning that the iron rod is narrow?

Naah. That wasn't a typo. You just misunderstood the quote from the Bible because your vocabulary did not include the now somewhat obsolete word 'strait', and so you thought the KJV said 'straight'. Hence your attempt to draw an analogy between the 'straightness' of the Church and the 'straightness' of the iron rod.

Droopy never, ever admits to ignorance.

Yes he does, just not consciously. It shows in every post.

[_Jaybear]

Everything he has been saying about Romney's taxes is a lie -- he doesn't know so he should keep his mouth shut.

Everything? How bout just one fact statement that is an obvious lie.

If you are going to accuse Reid of lying, but can't back up your claim with concrete facts, then by your own admission, shouldn't you be keeping your mouth shut.

[_Bob Loblaw]

Everything? How bout just one fact statement that is an obvious lie.

If you are going to accuse Reid of lying, but can't back up your claim with concrete facts, then by your own admission, shouldn't you be keeping your mouth shut.

That's Romney's dilemma. To prove Reid is lying, Romney would have to release his tax returns for the last ten years. I think Reid was wrong in making these kinds of unsubstantiated accusations, but they're not actionable unless they can be proven to be untrue and that Reid knew they were untrue.

[_Droopy]

To assert that a Democrat cannot be a good Mormon is merely D&C 88:81

I really think Droopy needs to read Matthew 7:3-5 and deeply ponder its profound message.

No, more like JST Matthew 7:1-2. Why are you defending an organization and philosophy that is dead set against the Gospel of Jesus Christ in almost every possible way? There is even a temple recommend question that directly precludes Democrats and anyone to the left of them (unless they lie or are impossibly ignorant).

I think that would be correct. If I am judging unrighteously, then the onus and opprobrium of so doing falls upon me.

So the question is, am I (and others like Ezra Benson, Spencer W. Kimball, Dallin Oaks, Boyd Packer etc.) judging unrighteously, across a plethora of issues, or not?

We are to judge, and must judge (discriminate, discern, inspect, scrutinize, categorize, make judgements, and come to conclusions on moral, ethical, social, cultural, and political questions and issues) as human beings and as Saints both to negotiate the mortal world rationally and prudently and as a matter of covenant responsibility, but are to judge righteously. So what does that mean? The oath and covenant of the priesthood requires me to "teach, preach, exhort, expound" and "raise a warning voice" to the world, in whatever circumstances I'm in, at all times, and in all places. I am to be a witness of Jesus Christ.

Well, alright. Let's do that then, but nobody said that was going to be the popular thing to do, or politically correct, or that we are always going to make nice when doing so. Sometimes sharp words are required. Sometimes ripping off a mask and pointing out the Satanic features lying underneath is required. So that's not going to make one many friends in "the world." So what?

Am I perfect in so doing? Hardly. Am I going to sit idly by while liberals, leftists, secularists, and wolves among the flock attempt a careful, sophisticated and incremental convergence between the Church and Babylon?

Nope.

[_Bob Loblaw]

Am I perfect in so doing? Hardly. Am I going to sit idly by while liberals, leftists, secularists, and wolves among the flock attempt a careful, sophisticated and incremental convergence between the Church and Babylon?

Nope.

Nope, you're going to actively work to sow division in the church over political affiliation. Don't let me stop you.

[_Droopy]

That's Romney's dilemma. To prove Reid is lying,

Romney has no dilemma at all. He does not need to release his tax records, for any reason whatsoever. Reid hasn't, and many other Senators and congresspeople haven't. The burden is on Reid, the accuser, to prove his accusations, or shut up.

Reid and the Democrats are clearly stark staring desperate at this point to turn the tide, by any means necessary, away from what promises to be a historic bloodbath in November that will eviscerate the Democratic party nationally.

Romney would have to release his tax returns for the last ten years. I think Reid was wrong in making these kinds of unsubstantiated accusations, but they're not actionable unless they can be proven to be untrue and that Reid knew they were untrue.

My prediction: they will be.

[Guest]

So Reid is to be subjected to Church discipline for this, while Romney, who lies almost every time he opens his mouth is innocent?

So true.

Reid is only repeating what his source has told him and he has also stated several times that he doesn't know if these accusations are true or not. He is giving Romney the opportunity to defend what he's heard and prove him wrong.

How is that any different than the "courts of love" held by church leaders who accuse a member of wrong doing and then give the member the opportunity to defend themselves? I personally know of church courts held because of what other members have told church leaders about another member. Wonder if they had to give up their source? Droopy, do you believe they should be disciplined by the church if these accusations are proven false about their fellow member?

in my opinion, Romney is the one who needs to put up or shut up. Either provide the tax returns or quit whining over accusations that arise because of how suspicious it looks to the public when you hide them.