Fence Sitter wrote:Is there a consensus on where the missing portion occurs, like between PSJ X and PSJ XI or do people disagree on where as well as how much is missing?
There is a small gap (less than a winding) between X and XI. There is consensus that the (BOA-relevant) missing portion is to the left (inside) of X.
One of the little bits of information I have picked up along the way is the Toronto scroll is much thinner than most papyri scrolls. One has to wonder if Mr. Gee went out of his way to find this scroll for comparison? Why would he not look for a scroll much closer to the thickness of the Hor Book of Breathings?
Yes, the graph in his presentation is the one from his paper. Some of the presentation, including this portion, appear to be simply a summary of his paper. He did present additional yet similar graphs that showed how he felt the "errors" could be corrected but if you're responding to this paper in your Dialogue article then I think you're fine. I don't think the presentation is more than a short summary of that.
Did I find it convincing? No, because I usually wait to see the evidence before I say something is convincing, and none was provided. I talked with Gee for a while about our common love for Egypt (I grew up in Egypt and went to several digs with Wilfred Griggs and Kent Brown as a teenager, have fond memories of the Cairo Museum, etc.). So I don't really know much more than that he is a personable, if somewhat shy sort of fellow.
I find the scroll discussion fun to follow, but more so when it involves the textual areas rather than the math. I'm afraid I just don't have the math chops to follow the arguments like I do when it involves text and translation.
Cheers
". . . but they must long feel that to flatter and follow others, without being flattered and followed in turn, is but a state of half enjoyment" - Jane Austen in "Persuasion"
Joe Geisner wrote:One of the little bits of information I have picked up along the way is the Toronto scroll is much thinner than most papyri scrolls. One has to wonder if Mr. Gee went out of his way to find this scroll for comparison? Why would he not look for a scroll much closer to the thickness of the Hor Book of Breathings?
One of my problems with Book of Abraham and Book of Mormon apologetics is that they often rely on the assumption that these texts are plausible outliers or outright exceptions. The use of the Toronto scroll is more of the same.
"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist
J Green wrote:I talked with Gee for a while about our common love for Egypt (I grew up in Egypt and went to several digs with Wilfred Griggs and Kent Brown as a teenager, have fond memories of the Cairo Museum, etc.). So I don't really know much more than that he is a personable, if somewhat shy sort of fellow.
I used to visit with Griggs in his office in the Harold B. Lee Library. He and my dad were friends as physics undergrads at BYU. They used to chat about Nibley. Griggs was very nice and welcoming to me. I took Coptic one semester with Brown. He was a very kind gentleman. Gee was my Sunday School teacher in my first married ward at BYU. He was very nice to me in person. I often wish that the experience of him as Sunday School teacher were my only experience of him. That and perhaps his work in actual Egyptology. His work on the Book of Abraham has tarnished my view of him.
"Petition wasn’t meant to start a witch hunt as I’ve said 6000 times." ~ Hanna Seariac, LDS apologist
Kishkumen wrote:Gee was my Sunday School teacher in my first married ward at BYU. He was very nice to me in person. I often wish that the experience of him as Sunday School teacher were my only experience of him. That and perhaps his work in actual Egyptology. His work on the Book of Abraham has tarnished my view of him.
As part of his presentation, he summarized his publications in Egyptology for the last few years and some of his topics sound fascinating. The theology behind the cult in Thebes that Hor was practicing? Good stuff.
In the end, though, I hope I'm remembered for the best I contribute rather than the things others find wanting. In my case there's likely more of the latter, so I can only hope some of the former will redeem me a little.
Regards
". . . but they must long feel that to flatter and follow others, without being flattered and followed in turn, is but a state of half enjoyment" - Jane Austen in "Persuasion"
J Green wrote:I talked with Gee for a while about our common love for Egypt (I grew up in Egypt and went to several digs with Wilfred Griggs and Kent Brown as a teenager, have fond memories of the Cairo Museum, etc.).
I'm hoping the Muslim Brotherhood doesn't carry through on their threats to destroy all the pagan artifacts.
Mortal Man wrote:I'm hoping the Muslim Brotherhood doesn't carry through on their threats to destroy all the pagan artifacts.
So far I'm a little sceptical of these reports. Sounds like the ousted regime has been trying to trade on fears that the new regime will act like the Taliban and treat the pyramids like the buddhas of Bamiyan. On the other hand, a lot of what has happened during the Arab Spring has defied consistent predictive analysis. I'll certainly be watching with interest.
". . . but they must long feel that to flatter and follow others, without being flattered and followed in turn, is but a state of half enjoyment" - Jane Austen in "Persuasion"
Just a quick Shout Out to John Gee, who I know is reading this thread.
You are a Pathetic Liar, a Coward, and an embarrassment to Mormonism.
No wonder your college professor disowned you. If it weren't for your testimony getting you all these favors at your Church's University, you'd never be able to get a job anywhere else because you have no credibility outside the small herd of sheep you keep lying to.