Did Mitt Romney Have Leader's Permission To Go Pro-Choice?

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_Madison54
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Re: Did Mitt Romney Have Leader's Permission To Go Pro-Choic

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Emma Smith wrote:Because what I know of Sue personally impacted me I am reluctant to share details. Therefore, I officially retract my accusation that she is a liar.

Sorry, Emma....I didn't see this until just now and after I responded above.

I do understand how personal experiences can affect our feelings and opinions.

I guess we really can't know for sure what actually took place between Romney and church leaders back then. But in my opinion, it comes down to Judy Dushku's word rather than Sue Emmett's since she is the one who publicly stated this conversation took place between her and Mitt Romney.
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Re: Did Mitt Romney Have Leader's Permission To Go Pro-Choic

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Madison54 wrote:
Emma Smith wrote:Because what I know of Sue personally impacted me I am reluctant to share details. Therefore, I officially retract my accusation that she is a liar.

Sorry, Emma....I didn't see this until just now and after I responded above.

I do understand how personal experiences can affect our feelings and opinions.

I guess we really can't know for sure what actually took place between Romney and church leaders back then. But in my opinion, it comes down to Judy Dushku's word rather than Sue Emmett's since she is the one who publicly stated this conversation took place between her and Mitt Romney.


And you are absolutely right, I have no reason to doubt Dushku's account.

Completely off topic but I remember the days when I couldn't wait for Mitt Romney to run. Finally, we would have a viable moderate Republican who wasn't distracted by nonsense like gay marriage and abortion. Who here would not vote for the '90's Romney who took on Kennedy??

*sigh*

And then Mitt did his thing pandering to Evangelicals.

I still have no idea who I'm going to vote for this election or if I'm even going to vote for the President. I may write in Dr. Scratch.
"This is why I am a big fan of the Mormon lay. It is important that two people know that they are somewhat compatible in bed. After a couple of Mormon lays, one can know a lot about the other person's sexuality."

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Re: Did Mitt Romney Have Leader's Permission To Go Pro-Choic

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Hasa Diga Eebowai wrote:The problem with your evaluation, in my opinion, Emma is that you ask for examples while providing one yourself. George Romney did receive pressure from at least one leader within the LDS Church to fall in line with the Church's position. The fact that George refused to do so is a huge credit to him, but that doesn't change the fact that an apostle of the LDS Church put that pressure on him. The only reason why we even know about the pressure that leader was putting on him is because he rejected it and leaked it otherwise we would never have known.

While I don't think that all the political pressure that the LDS Church puts on politicians is a bad thing, the fact is historically leaders have put pressure on Mormon politicians. It is understandable why anyone would be suspicious of the LDS Church's ambitions given their history of seeking to establish another form of government and their desire for a theocracy in Utah. The worrying thing is that Mitt Romney would seek assurance from his leaders before taking certain positions. Mitt is not a George Romney or a Harry Reid and has shown that time and again through this campaign. While I don't think it's realistic to suggest that Mitt is going to simply be a puppet of the LDS Church I think it is important to consider what Mitt's likely response would be if asked by them to do them a political favor. Using Harry Reid as an example doesn't really work simply because they realize the PR they get from having people with opposing views who are still members of the Church.

Emmett probably should have named the source that she got it from, which is public anyway and Dushku is reliable. Still I can understand why you'd take issue with the claims of Mormon Royalty etc. I think news outlets like to embellish things like that, but maybe some exmormons do too. I found the claims that Parker Romney was somehow Mormon Royalty to be equally ridiculous. I don't know if she is a liar though I've never seen any evidence of that.

The only thing I'd ask is do you honestly think that the pledge in the Temple to be obedient to LDS Church leaders would never impact Mitt Romney as a politician if he received a phone call directly from the Prophet who told him that God had a message for him?

(And Scratch seems like a good candidate for President)

Thanks,

Hasa Diga Eebowai


Good points all around.

In answer to your request that I honestly consider the pledge of obedience I can offer a pretty decent example of how, in the minds of most Church members, this commitment has its limits.

Utah was the state which provided the ratifying vote to overturn prohibition. President Heber J. Grant *instructed* Church members to vote against ratification. The members of the church flat out ignored him -- en masse! They made up their own minds and voted accordingly. From what I understand HJG was so pissed he made WoW observance mandatory for temple attendance.

Again, in practice members of the Church may listen and consider the views of Church leaders but in general, LDS people -- including Romney I believe -- will do what they feel is best (or expedient) politically regardless of Church leadership.

I'm no historian so if my account is wrong in any way someone please set me straight.
"This is why I am a big fan of the Mormon lay. It is important that two people know that they are somewhat compatible in bed. After a couple of Mormon lays, one can know a lot about the other person's sexuality."

-- why me 7/10/12
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Re: Did Mitt Romney Have Leader's Permission To Go Pro-Choic

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Emma Smith wrote:Completely off topic but I remember the days when I couldn't wait for Mitt Romney to run. Finally, we would have a viable moderate Republican who wasn't distracted by nonsense like gay marriage and abortion. Who here would not vote for the '90's Romney who took on Kennedy??


I voted for Romney in 2002. It was an easy decision and I was happy to do it. I would vote for THAT Mitt Romney again for President. THIS Mitt Romney? Yeah, not so much . . .
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Re: Did Mitt Romney Have Leader's Permission To Go Pro-Choic

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An old joke:
Kohn:
- What your opinion is about "X"?
Gruen:
- I don't know. Today I haven't encountered yet our boss.


(sorry, no cartoon...)
- Whenever a poet or preacher, chief or wizard spouts gibberish, the human race spends centuries deciphering the message. - Umberto Eco
- To assert that the earth revolves around the sun is as erroneous as to claim that Jesus was not born of a virgin. - Cardinal Bellarmine at the trial of Galilei
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Re: Did Mitt Romney Have Leader's Permission To Go Pro-Choic

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3sheets2thewind wrote: 3.

A competent physician determines that the fetus has severe defects that will not allow the baby to survive beyond birth.


I thought the whole point if the Plan of Salvation was to come to earth to gain a body, regardless of how long you live for?
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