just me wrote:Does anyone else really really wanna see the journals the church has under lock & key? I want to sooooo baaaaad!
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Brian Hale's FAIR Presentation on Sexual Polyandry
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Ok. Somebody send this to me please.
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Some of us, on the other hand, actually prefer a religion that includes some type of correlation with reality.
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Sorry people, but I'm a bit slow.
Where are you getting access to that Quinn article you are talking about? Is there a link?
Where are you getting access to that Quinn article you are talking about? Is there a link?
Zadok:
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.
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Fence Sitter wrote:Bob Loblaw wrote:I can't imagine Emma's suffering over this issue. She must have believed Joseph when he told her that God had commanded polygamy or she wouldn't have hesitatingly accepted it in a few cases. On the other hand she knew Joseph's history (Fanny Alger anyone?) and probably wondered if he was back to his old ways. Nevertheless she accepted. To call her unstable or a bitch is so completely wrong to me. She put up with a hell of a lot from Joseph that most wives wouldn't. Mine wouldn't.
I don't think Emma believed him when he told her that God commanded polygamy, but what choice did she have? She had to know that a public confrontation with him would destroy both of them. How could she publicly dispute anything he claimed God told him? In the end, the choices made by Emma in Nauvoo all seem to be driven by protecting her position as the prophet's wife and the welfare of her children.
I tend to agree for the most part, FS. I'm not sure if your summation entirely explains her "acquiescence" or not. Until there is more work done on Emma, it's really hard to say and hard even to gauge her "belief" (for lack of a better term). I only know that I emotionally understand the various contradictions of the human heart. But I also know that I understand a lot less about how the human heart deals with religious belief.
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Steelhead and chap, if you PM me your email I will forward it to you. :)
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My favorite quote from Quinn on the "eternity only" explanation for Joseph's polyandrous marriages is this: "Its palatability as an explanation doesn't make it accurate."
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Cicero wrote:just me wrote:Does anyone else really really wanna see the journals the church has under lock & key? I want to sooooo baaaaad!
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No kidding. Now that I've read Quinn's response I feel like they are calling to me. There's gotta be some damn juicy goodness in them!
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I got my copy of Quinn's paper from Joe Geisner through a site called dropbox. Talk to Joe. I am sure he will give you access.
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