I'll Probably Get in Trouble

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I'll Probably Get in Trouble

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This is my general response to Wade Englund's thread on Myth Busters concerning Same Sex Marriage:

I remember a few years ago that over on the CARM board a critic started a thread about their favorite false teaching or lie told by Mormonism. Some of the contributions of other critic board members were honest criticisms but the major majority was all propaganda about how evil, amoral, unethical, and deceitful Mormonism was. That thread was truly reprehensible because it was a baiting thread with the sole purpose to victimize Mormons and demonize their faith.It really was heartbreaking to see that happen.

I wish I could say that the attitudes and tactics demonstrated and on display here were different.
I'm probably going to be accused of a Godwin's Law violation by comparing some of the Mormons here to the CARMites but certain individuals lead others to see them in such a way.

In the end, no one wins. Someone will get hurt and people who are like those who started both the thread on CARM and here on MDD show their Christian love so well.


Wade's response is to create another rule so as to set up his position to win:

Myth #26: Reasoned analysis in favor of restricting marriage to a man and a woman should be summarily dismissed on the basis of fallacious equivalences, fallacious guilt by association, and because of fallacious appeals to emotion (it hurts people's feelings); whereas, in actual fact, reasoned analysis should be judged on their own merits using sound reasoning, and not dismissed by way of a barrage of fallacies--ironically condescending as it were.


Again, I am encouraging people to think critically, whereas you are resorting to lame dismissals and propaganda--presumably because, as indicated several times previously, this seems to be the best that gay advocates have to offer.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-


To which I responded with:

You're not thinking critically, Wade. I know of no Philosophy of Logic or Philosophy of Ethics professor, and I know quite a few in more than 5 states, that would agree with your brand of 'critical thinking'. I'm not intending to give authority to my position by citing who I know. I'm trying demonstrate that you have a uniquely flawed and grossly distorted idea of what thinking critically is.

Furthermore, you demonstrate a lack of care for 'collateral damage' caused by such spiritual, ethical and moral violence and thereby asserting your position as some sort of superior line of thinking. Such an assertion is delusional at best but damaging at worse. You sacrifice mercy and charity for some peculiarly audacious thought process. Is this what you did in your now defunct and reprehensible "think tank" concerning homosexuality, Wade? Is this an attempt to correct a distastrously epic failure?

I'm sure that in your own eloquently malevolent and malicious way you'll come up with another myth to satisfy your narcissistic, arrogant and self-aggrandizing need for self gratification, self glorification and some poor example of intellectual/rational/ethical/logical superiority while smugly smiling so kindly at yourself in the mirror and patting yourself on the back for a job well done.

ETA: This isn't an ad hominem. I'm thinking critically about the character of Wade Englund and the message he is trying to portray. If anyone perceives this post as a personal attack then that is YOUR problem and not mine.


As the thread heading says...I'll probably get in trouble for my last post because it will be seen as something that it is not. The more time I spend and MDD, the more I see this kind of violence.
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tsk tsk tsk

by the way, I think I love you. :biggrin:
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you might as well pee onyourself and tell yourself it is raining, than ask or even expect wade to think critically. I think he is pretty much just an ass. A major league one at that.
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just me wrote:tsk tsk tsk

by the way, I think I love you. :biggrin:


:redface:

Aww schucks...
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3sheets2thewind wrote:you might as well pee onyourself and tell yourself it is raining, than ask or even expect wade to think critically. some might describe him as a self hating non-sexual gay, I think he is pretty much just an ass. A major league one at that.

Remember wade has created a world around himself that world is "faithful LDS" so in wade's mind no matter what he types it is gospel truth and what someone who disagrees with him types is the ranting and gnashing of teeth of Satan.

make the board more interesting and put selek, wade, paharon, juliann, keving on ignore.


They are an interesting group of individuals. I have not yet engaged juliann in any discussion so I don't have any personal experience concerning her.
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I was banned from the thread. It doesn't seem that it was done by a mod because there were no read letters.
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Valentinus wrote:I was banned from the thread. It doesn't seem that it was done by a mod because there were no read letters.


I think that truly rational and reasoning LDS individuals, who are not afraid to express their thoughts, are the ones who get banned from MDD. Around here it is a badge of honor to have been banned from there.

Blessings,

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jo1952 wrote:
Valentinus wrote:I was banned from the thread. It doesn't seem that it was done by a mod because there were no read letters.


I think that truly rational and reasoning LDS individuals, who are not afraid to express their thoughts, are the ones who get banned from MDD. Around here it is a badge of honor to have been banned from there.

Blessings,

jo


The more they ban the more they do harm to their board membership.
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Bravo Valentinus

I first tussled with Wade in the comment section of one of the early blogs (T&S or BCC) eight or nine years ago. He ticked me off so much then that I still remember it. When I first rejoined the conversation on this board a few months ago, I was quite amazed to find that he was still out there and still using his same smiling knife schtick. For him to call someone else condescending is quite rich indeed.
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That board is "yes man echo chamber".

If you do not proclaim Gerald bradford to be a tool of Satan;you are a tool of Satan

If you do not lie about GLBT issues, you are a tool of Satan.

Bcspace, is the only known LDS person on that board who is honest about the LDS Church and the Priesthood ban on blacks.

If you disagree with Selek, wade, paharon, keving, bill hamblin or William schryver you are a tool of Satan.

You will never be told.why you are banned. But the truth of the matter is you questioned wade englund - therefore you must be banned

Also you will be banned for coming here and talking about that place.
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