What to do with the crappy members?

[_Infymus]

Bcspace wants everyone to think that just because it wasn't cannonized by the leaders, it wasn't true doctrine. But what he fails to note is that it was in books, it was taught by members to members. And if it was somewhere cited by a leader, then Bcspace and his fellow Jr Apologists then switch to the tired statement that it was uninspired, speaking as a man, or one of the better ones, "That didn't happen in MY WARD!"

What I was really looking for in this is what does the Cult do with members who are still members - but were indoctrinated this way during the period when this kind of material was actually taught and propagated throughout the Ward and Stakes.

Wait, I know what they do, they release a press statement claiming that the views of said person (Recently a BYU Professor) were wrong and thereby publicly chastise him. All he was doing was parroting what he had been taught. Mormons then go on the rampage and attack him out of sheer ignorance or because they feel he should tow the current line of ever changing greased pig doctrine.

Ex-Mormons who leave and then don't worry about coming up with the things they were taught are then labeled as anti-Mormon, hateful, "leave but can't leave it alone", disaffected - and I've even seen a few "Korihors".

So you know what Mormons? Deny it all you want, we were taught these things by our so-called inspired leaders - whether they were Stake Presidents, Bishops, Primary Presidents, High Council, High Priests or the lowly teacher - we were in fact, taught these things - so deal with the fallout.

[_Stormy Waters]

Wait, I know what they do, they release a press statement claiming that the views of said person (Recently a BYU Professor) were wrong and thereby publicly chastise him. All he was doing was parroting what he had been taught. Mormons then go on the rampage and attack him out of sheer ignorance or because they feel he should tow the current line of ever changing greased pig doctrine

Since he was a BYU professor near retirement how many years did he teach these things to his students? Yet he was only corrected after it became a PR problem.

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[_BartBurk]

There is a good thread going on over on RFM right now:

http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,601757

Some of the first quotes:'

-You cannnot be a Democrat and a good Mormon
-MLK was a Communist as well as anyone involved in the Civil Rights Movement
-The church was persecuted by everyone because it is true and the devil was attempting to stop its movement
-African-Americans (although they used other terms) were inferior human beings and would never hold the priesthood
-The Constitution was being attacked everyday by the Liberals
-Gays are evil and chose to be that way (they were not born that way).
-Gays deserve to be get AIDS and God struck them with this due to the sinning
-BYU was the Harvard of the West
-University of Utah was evil and influenced by Satan
-America was founded entirely for religious freedom
-All churches made up the Great Abominable Church, especially the Roman Catholic Church

Since some of the General Authorities are Democrats the first quote obviously is incorrect.

I don't remember anyone teaching at church in my 40+ years around Mormonism ever claiming that MLK was a communist. I'm sure there are members who believed that, but that would have been a fringe idea laughed at by many members.

From the time I joined the LDS Church in 1972 I was always told that someday the African American men would get the priesthood at some point in the future.

The constitution is being attacked everyday by the liberals -- you don't have to be a Mormon to know that.

As human beings we all have a choice regarding our actions no matter how we feel about it.

I never heard that Gays deserve to get AIDS.

I heard that BYU aspired to be the Harvard of the West even though we were told over and over again at BYU that that wasn't true.

Many General Authorities graduated from the U of U which flies in the face of this stupid statement and was never taught anywhere in the LDS Church.

Religious freedom was certainly one of the main reasons America was founded along with property rights, etc.

That last one probably was an official teaching, but the members of those churches were separated from the institutions themselves.

A lot of hyperbole from people who are bitter about their Mormon experience.

[_DarkHelmet]

Bcspace wants everyone to think that just because it wasn't cannonized by the leaders, it wasn't true doctrine. But what he fails to note is that it was in books, it was taught by members to members. And if it was somewhere cited by a leader, then Bcspace and his fellow Jr Apologists then switch to the tired statement that it was uninspired, speaking as a man, or one of the better ones, "That didn't happen in MY WARD!"

Nothing upsets a Mormon more than when you quote their leaders in public.

[_Infymus]

Since some of the General Authorities are Democrats the first quote obviously is incorrect.

I don't remember anyone teaching at church in my 40+ years around Mormonism ever claiming that MLK was a communist. I'm sure there are members who believed that, but that would have been a fringe idea laughed at by many members.

From the time I joined the LDS Church in 1972 I was always told that someday the African American men would get the priesthood at some point in the future.

The constitution is being attacked everyday by the liberals -- you don't have to be a Mormon to know that.

As human beings we all have a choice regarding our actions no matter how we feel about it.

I never heard that Gays deserve to get AIDS.

I heard that BYU aspired to be the Harvard of the West even though we were told over and over again at BYU that that wasn't true.

Many General Authorities graduated from the U of U which flies in the face of this stupid statement and was never taught anywhere in the LDS Church.

Religious freedom was certainly one of the main reasons America was founded along with property rights, etc.

That last one probably was an official teaching, but the members of those churches were separated from the institutions themselves.

A lot of hyperbole from people who are bitter about their Mormon experience.

Let me sum up BartBurk's post:

THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN MY WARD.

[_BartBurk]

Let me sum up BartBurk's post:

THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN MY WARD.

Actually it never happened in any of the wards I was in from Provo to Davenport to Cedar Rapids to Orem to South Bend and finally Mishawaka.

[_Sophocles]

Being a good Mormon is more than just believing what you are taught. It is also being a willing participant in throwing old, discredited teachings down the memory hole. When bspace says old teachings were never officially taught, so the church was never wrong, he's simply participating in this proud tradition.

My parents do this brilliantly. It's like my dad enjoys learning that something he understood and believed his whole life has just been a huge misunderstanding on his part.

The crappy members are those that insist on remembering the "wrong" teachings they learned. They're missing the whole point.

It's almost as if shifting the doctrine around every so often is a way of sifting the wheat from the chaff, of seeing which way people face. Are you loyal to the doctrine, or the church?

[_Tobin]

It isn't a question of being loyal to any supposed "doctrine" or not. The point is to be loyal to God or not and to do what God tells you to do instead.