The Mormon/Catholic ticket

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Re: The Mormon/Catholic ticket

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BartBurk wrote:
I accept the Mormon explanation that this does not refer to the Catholic Church -- that's why the LDS Church forced Bruce R. McConkie to take this out of McConkie's "Mormon Doctrine".


Odd that the Church did not force Talmage to take it out of The Great Apostasy, Jesus the Christ, or The Articles of Faith, the latter two of which used to be in the Missionary Reference Library sold in church distribution centers for missionaries to take with them on their missions.

By the way, BartBurk, I am sure you will agree with me that Baptists and other churches cannot be held responsible for their anti-Mormon counter-cult ministries, since what they say in those venues is not considered canonical.
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Re: The Mormon/Catholic ticket

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BartBurk wrote:
hobo1512 wrote:That has nothing to do with the question asked. You stated that Ryan was chosen because he was Catholic. Where is your proof?

I'll let you in on a bigger secret. He needs someone on his ticket that isn't as stupid as he is, and can fight off budget/money questions. It doesn't need to be a Catholic.


Ryan was chosen because he is the smartest one available -- it had nothing to do with him being Catholic. It shows Romney is more interested in getting smart folks around him than choosing someone simply to satisfy someone's idea of a good politician. Romney is simply a great CEO and he proved it with the Ryan pick.

I agree totally, and believe I even stated he needed people smarter than him.

Whine me however seems to think, and has stated that it is because he is Catholic.

Ryan is supposedly a wiz with budgets, and that is a very hot topic with this election.
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Re: The Mormon/Catholic ticket

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why me wrote:
Here is the problem: taliban antimormon catholics love to bring up the abominable church when disparaging Mormons and their religion.


No, Why Me. LDS leaders have historically loved to disparage other people's religions.

From the children's book Doctrine and Covenants Stories, which is sold at LDS distribution centers:

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But they seem to forget that the catholic cathedral is in the heart of salt lake city. How could brigham allow the devil's church so close to the temple?

He wouldn't. But it does prove he respected the catholics because he allowed them to build on that land.


It really is too bad that someone can't come up with a better algorithm for the Why Me chatbot, so he can adapt to his factual statements being refuted instead of simply repeating them. Besides the fact that Brigham Young was dead at the time the chatbot is talking about, Utah became a state in 1897. In 1900, when the diocese purchased the land where the cathedral would be built, was not up to the LDS Church to "allow" other religions to locate their places of worship in what Why Me apparently thinks is the LDS Vatican.

Why Me's mistaken assumptions about Utah history are not helping him, either. He does not appear to be aware that the First Presbyterian Church is right next to the Cathedral of the Madeline, somewhat diminishing his assumption that the cathedral's location is indicative of some special simpatico between Catholics and Mormons. Nor does he seem to be aware that the Greek Orthodox Holy Trinity Cathedral is a few blocks from Temple Square, too, and was built in the early 1920's. The LDS Church did not "allow" the Greek Orthodox community to build it there.

The reason why large churches like these were built in or near downtown is that during that time period, the critical population mass (no pun intended) was in downtown and around the Avenues in Salt Lake City. A great big Catholic cathedral in, say, early 20th-century Murray or Draper would not have been particularly convenient for parishoners. It's really not hard to figure out, and it's not because the LDS Church, in its largesse, allowed other churches the free exercise of religion in Utah.
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And by the way, here is the Grand Masonic Lodge in Salt Lake City on 650 East South Temple, three blocks down South Temple from the Cathedral of the Madeline:

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So according to Why Me's reasoning, its location must demonstrate the natural affinity that Mormons and Masons have for each other, what with the LDS Church allowing it to be built there.
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Re: The Mormon/Catholic ticket

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1871 Fr. Walsh builds 1st RC church in SLC, St. Mary Madeleine at 50 South 200 East http://content.lib.utah.edu/cdm/singlei ... ss/id/6135

1873 Fr., later Bishop, Scanlan arrives

1877 BY dies

1890 site for Roman Catholic cathedral obtained in SLC at 331 E. South Temple

1891 RC Diocese established with Scanlan as bishop

1899 construction began for St. Mary Madeleine Cathedral

1909 Cathedral of St. Mary Madeleine completed http://leggnet.com/2009/01/stepping-bac ... sited.html

1915 Bishop Scanlan dies
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Re: The Mormon/Catholic ticket

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café crema wrote: CAF is a quiet day in the park compared to MAD these days.
why me wrote:
:lol:

From the catholic board:

Mormons are not Trinitarians. Period. They coop Christian words and phrases and change the meaning of them. This doesn't make them Trinitarian any more than if I were to change the definition of "world class athlete" and call myself one.

If I did try to pull such a thing off, people would either laugh it off as a grand joke, or make a point of letting other people know that I'm trying to deceive people. Mormons aren't joking. Theirs is a deception, under layers and layers of individual deceptions. The best thing about their deception is how many Mormons believe it and promote it, without realizing their own complicency.

The deception is made even more awesome when non-Mormons get on board to promote the deceptions.


I have never seen on MDD such language toward catholics or any other religion and their believers.
Probably because other religions don't co-opt LDS terminology to imply they believe the same things.

why me wrote:And this:

Agreed. It's called marketing. I say it's the selling of the "warm fuzzies"

A perfectly apt description of "Mormon Messages" it is advertising, advertising always is directed toward causing the observer to find the "product" appealing. "Mormon Messages" has as it's only goal, to create warm feelings toward the LDS church.

why me wrote:Amazing...the posts go on and on about the LDS faith. You would cry foul if the MDD crowd would speak such language about the catholic church. See you own involvement in the process?

I don't like the Catholic church "advertising" so if someone wants to poke fun at it's advertising or approach it in a mocking and cynical fashion that's fine with me. I don't think you will find any "advertising campaign" from the Catholic church that comes anywhere near the magnitude you see from the LDS church. But if one does it should (in my opinion) be met with the same attitude shown toward the LDS church's advertising.

why me wrote:And this:

Actually, quoting a phrase from a false prophet to prove the false prophet is correct is a little self-serving.


I have never seen the pope attacked at all on MDD board. The taliban group needs to be ashamed of itself. Thank god, the taliban are not mainstream catholics. And what is your role is such posts? You are posting there about the LDS church, right?

The LDS church makes no bones about declaring itself The Church of Jesus Christ with a prophet who speaks directly for God. Why should other churches, who don't believe this, not see the LDS prophet as a false prophet? And while it may be impolite to say so why should they be stopped from declaring their belief that the LDS prophet is false? It seems that you think other churches should be denied the right to say what they believe.
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Re: The Mormon/Catholic ticket

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café crema wrote:The LDS church makes no bones about declaring itself The Church of Jesus Christ with a prophet who speaks directly for God. Why should other churches, who don't believe this, not see the LDS prophet as a false prophet? And while it may be impolite to say so why should they be stopped from declaring their belief that the LDS prophet is false? It seems that you think other churches should be denied the right to say what they believe.


I guess it is hard for someone from the catholic board to understand. The language on the catholic board toward other faiths is terrible and uncatholic. If MDD posters would use such language about the catholic church, the catholic posters on CAF would be outraged complete with accusing the Mormons of lacking love for neighbor and teaching its members to hate other faiths.

Imagine MDD over and over again calling the pope a fake and a fraud or saying that the catholic church deceives its members or it depends on a fake spirit to lure its members... etc etc etc.

But I must admit, the moderator is attempting to reign in the strident posts about the LDS church. And it can be seen on the board now but...at times it does go back to the same old same old.
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Re: The Mormon/Catholic ticket

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And the Romney/Ryan ticket shows that Mormons and catholics can work together regardless of differences in their religion and that they can respect each other's beliefs and find grounds for agreement.

It is a good example for the CAF board.
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Re: The Mormon/Catholic ticket

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why me wrote:And the Romney/Ryan ticket shows that Mormons and catholics can work together regardless of differences in their religion and that they can respect each other's beliefs and find grounds for agreement.

It is a good example for the CAF board.


But we've always known that Mormons and Catholics can work together. The CAF board is not a good place to go for someone questioning Catholicism or promoting another brand of Christianity. The purpose of the entire Catholic Answers site is to defend Catholicism. Going over there in hopes of having a civil discussion of Mormonism is impossible because the purpose of the site is to convert people to Catholicism. I'm not going back there anytime soon. I've found it is difficult to have any kind of civil discussion about religion or politics on the internet.
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Re: The Mormon/Catholic ticket

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why me wrote:And the Romney/Ryan ticket shows that Mormons and catholics can work together regardless of differences in their religion and that they can respect each other's beliefs and find grounds for agreement.

It is a good example for the CAF board.

But you still haven't proven your claim that Ryan was chosen BECAUSE he is Catholic.

Put up or shut up. It really is that simple.
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