Professor, Says Students Showed 'Religious Arrogance'.

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Re: Professor, Says Students Showed 'Religious Arrogance'.

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3 things never to put in the same statement

1. Christianity is the most valid religion
2. Bigots
3. you can't tell evidence from fantasy

The guy has no horse sense.

even tenured professors can have problems

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In order to study any belief system, one must first approach it with the assumption that it might be true, and, if not true in whole, then at least have some points of validity. So any study of philosophy will open up a person's mind.
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I gotta go with Lulu on this. To me, sounds like the Professor lost control of his class and tempers ran high. Calling your students bigots isn’t the best way to go about teaching a lesson, it’s a recipe for them to stop listening.
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MrStakhanovite wrote:I gotta go with Lulu on this. To me, sounds like the Professor lost control of his class and tempers ran high. Calling your students bigots isn’t the best way to go about teaching a lesson, it’s a recipe for them to stop listening.

If all else fails, call for an early smokers' break.
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To some extent, teaching is performance art. One must know, involve, read, guide, and adapt to one's audience (or class).
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Listen, I wouldn't have done what this guy did, but I am kind of proud of him for doing it.

Why? Because I am tired of the resistance that ignorant students exhibit toward intellectual challenges and learning.

It begins with disdain for professors and learning.

What are these people going to university for, if they steadfastly refuse to be challenged or engage in any intellectual exchange?

Oh, and by the way, there is a distinction between describing behavior and dismissing someone with a label.
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Kishkumen wrote:What are these people going to university for, if they steadfastly refuse to be challenged or engage in any intellectual exchange?


Of course, you're a Liberal Arts professor. You're naturally going to take a constructivist approach.

I don't think it occurs to many university students what's involved in 'intellectual exchange.' I admit that it took me a few (too many) years to figure it out.



edit: There are also those who follow the model that education should be primarily about the transmission of knowledge. Some in Engineering would subscribe to this.
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Morley wrote:
Quasimodo wrote:
I guess you don't have to be ignorant to be religious, but it helps.


Quasi -- A large number in China could be considered to be non-religious. Would you consider them to be less ignorant than the denizens of a religious country like the US?

Same question for Soviet-Era Russia.


Hi Morley!

I guess it depends on how one defines religion. I think if one considers Maoist doctrine as a kind of religion then it's very similar. The question isn't really about the beliefs of a person (or community). It's about the ability of that person to look beyond the teachings of childhood and consider other explanations.

Your question might be 'apples and oranges' anyway. In the instance we are discussing, the student is lucky enough to attend a collage to receive an advanced education. His refusal to take advantage of that due to his prior childhood teachings is solely his choice. Unlike cargo cults in New Guinea, he has exposure to higher knowledge and rejects it.
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MrStakhanovite wrote:I gotta go with Lulu on this. To me, sounds like the Professor lost control of his class and tempers ran high. Calling your students bigots isn’t the best way to go about teaching a lesson, it’s a recipe for them to stop listening.


In fairness to the professor, he didn't call the student bigoted. He just referred to his attempt at disrailing the topic as bigoted. I think Negy was trying to open the minds of his students by asking them to consider opposing opinions.

This particular student was beyond the call. It makes me curious as to why he was in a philosophy class in the first place. Seminary may have been a better choice for him. Rather like a fundamentalist student in biology class demanding that only creationist doctrine be taught.
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Quasimodo wrote:
MrStakhanovite wrote:I gotta go with Lulu on this. To me, sounds like the Professor lost control of his class and tempers ran high. Calling your students bigots isn’t the best way to go about teaching a lesson, it’s a recipe for them to stop listening.


In fairness to the professor, he didn't call the student bigoted. He just referred to his attempt at disrailing the topic as bigoted. I think Negy was trying to open the minds of his students by asking them to consider opposing opinions.

This particular student was beyond the call. It makes me curious as to why he was in a philosophy class in the first place. Seminary may have been a better choice for him. Rather like a fundamentalist student in biology class demanding that only creationist doctrine be taught.


1. It wasn't a philosphy class, it was a psychology class.

2. I think Mr. Don't Discuss It fairly falls into the the category the prof. created of those engaging in bigoted behavior. Who engages in bigoted behavior? A bigot?

3. I would have spoken to that student privately and pointed out that since the syllabus required class participation (mine always did), his statement was disruptive, and that the quality of his participation is part of his grade per the syllabus. I wouldn't have written it somewhere others would have access to it.

4. I went to college with a closed mind and have since changed, 40 years later something from college pops into mind and I go, "that's what the prof. meant." Good thing I have a good memory and that the prof. had the patience to deal with my brain as he found it. You never know if and when an idea is going to take hold. I try to remember that when students say stupid, even outragous things.

5. Calling the owner a bigot is not the best way to pry a mind open.
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