Is your religious experience all torn up?

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Re: Is your religious experience all torn up?

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Zee, I can remember there was a time when I felt like my loss of Mormon belief was just like your photo. That view passed. Or perhaps I could think of it as that experience of Mormon culture became one snapshot in a collection. That collection would also include an image of individuals who like Josephs abusive power just because it is power over others.
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zeezrom wrote:Now that you found the troubling history of Mormonism, does your worship/spirituality/religious experience/pondering sometimes reflect what this man experienced in the photo below?

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It describes mine exactly.

Image: Pvt. Paul Oglesby, 30th Infantry, standing in reverence before an altar in a damaged Catholic Church. Note: pews at left appear undamaged, while bomb-shattered roof is strewn about the sanctuary. Acerno, Italy.


I see that he isn't looking up, but straight ahead. Who knows at what, but the tabernacle is right in front of him.
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madeleine wrote:
zeezrom wrote:Now that you found the troubling history of Mormonism, does your worship/spirituality/religious experience/pondering sometimes reflect what this man experienced in the photo below?

Image

It describes mine exactly.

Image: Pvt. Paul Oglesby, 30th Infantry, standing in reverence before an altar in a damaged Catholic Church. Note: pews at left appear undamaged, while bomb-shattered roof is strewn about the sanctuary. Acerno, Italy.


I see that he isn't looking up, but straight ahead. Who knows at what, but the tabernacle is right in front of him.


I had a similar reaction, maddy, that he was looking through the ruined structure to some, as yet unseen, but more direct experience...
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Re: Is your religious experience all torn up?

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why me wrote:By all standards it should have fell if it were a fraud.

Well, if we apply that logic to religions that are not Mormon, and that have not "fallen" (because they would have "fallen" by now if they were fraudulent), then they must not be frauds either. they must be true too.

Back to square one as to which is the true religion I guess.
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zeezrom wrote:Now that you found the troubling history of Mormonism, does your worship/spirituality/religious experience/pondering sometimes reflect what this man experienced in the photo below?

Image

It describes mine exactly.

Image: Pvt. Paul Oglesby, 30th Infantry, standing in reverence before an altar in a damaged Catholic Church. Note: pews at left appear undamaged, while bomb-shattered roof is strewn about the sanctuary. Acerno, Italy.


As you know, your beginning paragraph does not apply to to me. For me, the lovely image does not speak to a loss of faith. It speaks to the vainness of humans. How easily an edifice that was built to the glory of God can be destroyed. If God cared about such things he might have prevented it.

An image of Monte Cassino after the battle:

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moksha wrote:Does anyone know if this Palermo church was rebuilt? I hope it was, since that would relate entirely to my religious experience.


http://www.prolocoacerno.it/acerno/santamaria.htm
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Re: Is your religious experience all torn up?

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Blixa wrote:
I had a similar reaction, maddy, that he was looking through the ruined structure to some, as yet unseen, but more direct experience...


The intact altar reflects that thought. :)
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madeleine wrote:
moksha wrote:Does anyone know if this Palermo church was rebuilt? I hope it was, since that would relate entirely to my religious experience.


http://www.prolocoacerno.it/acerno/santamaria.htm

i restauri sono terminati nel maggio del 1996
The restoration was completed in May 1996. (c) google...
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Re: Is your religious experience all torn up?

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ludwigm wrote:i restauri sono terminati nel maggio del 1996
The restoration was completed in May 1996. (c) google...


Thank you Ludwigm and Madeleine. I ran across this Church in the Wikipedia as one of several in Palermo, but couldn't decipher the Italian without a cyberstone.
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Re: Is your religious experience all torn up?

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ludwigm wrote:
i restauri sono terminati nel maggio del 1996
The restoration was completed in May 1996. (c) google...


That was after it was damaged in an earthquake.

It looks like a new church. Very white, a blank canvas.

The church was badly damaged by bombing in 1943. The Archbishop Demetrios Muscat in 1954 gave the church an artistic stained glass work of Thomas Giuliani.
Damaged by the earthquake of 1980, was reopened for worship on August 1, 1992, the restoration was completed in May 1996.
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