Ann Romney's testimony

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Re: Ann Romney's testimony

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beastie wrote:
"After the election was over and [John] McCain was the nominee, I made a decision that I would never do it again," she said. "You know who your husband is. You know-- I know what a good person he is. And oh - the negative - it's so hard as a wife to sit there and listen to that."

But when Morales asked why she changed her mind, Mrs. Romney said, "We have a reason why we're running and it's because I believe in my heart that Mitt is going to save America, that economically we are in such difficult times and that he is the person that’s going to pull us through this."


http://rockcenter.nbcnews.com/_news/201 ... iding?lite

Maybe he'll be riding a white horse. One that does dressage.


Hi Beastie,

I am hoping that you (and others here with similar views of Romney) can explain the animosity you have against him and Ann.

Let me just say upfront that I was, for the majority of my adult life, a Republican. I am now an independent but lean to the right on economic issues and left on social matters like abortion and gay marriage.

As a young man I had political aspirations and I was also, like many here, a faithful Mormon. I've mentioned it here before that I am a Romney (my Mom's side) and Miles Park Romney is my Great Grandfather. Not sure what that makes me in relation to Mitt but in any case, my point is that I come from pretty staunch LDS stock.

At no point when I considered politics as a profession (I have since abandoned such aspirations) did I ever think of my role in terms of the "white horse" prophecy. Politics and economics interested me and I thought that perhaps public service would be a way to make a differerence in the world -- not that I was God-ordained.

The quote above doesn't sound much different than what any politican would say. Many conservative Republicans use radical language like "save America" etc... and have done so since the birth of modern conservatism in the late 70s (poor Barry Goldwater would roll over in his grave if he saw the GOP today).

I suppose my question is this: Has Romney said or done anything that indicates he 1) believes the white horse prophecy and 2) sees himself as a fulfillment of that prophecy?

I guess I just see this as standard right-wing political rhetoric -- rhetoric we would hear from any GOP presidential candidate.

Another thing I don't understand is why Romney's wealth is held against him. The man is a kick-ass businessperson. I worked closely for many years (as a technical and market data consultant) with PE and Hedge Funds and from my perspective, Bain Capital is a great example of what a PE firm should be. Yes, people lose jobs during M&A but jobs and wealth are also created. In other words, I see PE having a net positive impact on the economy. Many companies that would now be extinct have been rescued by PE. Sure there are some very bad apples out there but I don't see Bain/Romney that way. I agree with Bill Clinton's assesment of PE -- sometimes you do well and sometimes you don't.

I hope that someday, if I work hard and catch some breaks, that I can be as successful as Romney and that if my wife suffered from a painful disease that I could afford to buy things she enjoyed and mader her happy/comfortable. I don't see that as a character flaw.

Also, I know a couple of people from the Boston area who Romney helped personally with college etc... From what I'm told, he's very generous.

Now, I'm not defending Romney's likability. He doesn't have much personality and, having been a very wealthy man for a long time, has said some really dumb things about the 10k bet, etc... But let's not kid ourselves. Obama is wealthy. Reid is wealthy. Clinton is wealthy. They all have offshore accounts (which are perfectly legal -- if they didn't take advantage of Swiss/Cayman bank accounts they would be stupid). They just have more sense in how they discuss it.

Ann is actually VERY likeable.

Anyway, I'm rambling. I'm just sincerely puzzled about the animosity shown towards Romney. He's a politician -- not as skilled as Clinton or Reagan -- but still a politician.

Seth

ETA -- Glenn Beck hates Romney. Shouldn't that count in his favor? :)
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I'm just sincerely puzzled about the animosity shown towards Seamus by the Romney family.
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sethpayne wrote:
Anyway, I'm rambling. I'm just sincerely puzzled about the animosity shown towards Romney. He's a politician -- not as skilled as Clinton or Reagan -- but still a politician.

Seth

ETA -- Glenn Beck hates Romney. Shouldn't that count in his favor? :)


I have animosity towards Romney because of his support of the personhood amendment despite the fact that two of his sons used in vitro fertilization.

I have animosity towards Romney because of his desire to lower taxes on the wealthy while simultaneously slashing benefits that have enabled many Americans to attain middle class status, and slashing benefits that enable the poor to feed their children.

I have animosity towards Romney for acting like "Obamacare" is socialism while "Romneycare" was a good idea.

I have animosity towards Romney for asserting that he'd be even more aggressively in favor of gay rights and then, a few years later, being aggressively opposed to gay rights.

I have animosity towards Romney for the fact that nearly every one of his ads I've seen is based on misrepresentation and lies.

I have animosity towards Romney for reeking of the entitlement of those who are born wealthy AND born of Mormon royalty.

In short, I have animosity towards Romney for the fact that, despite being a temple-recommend holding Mormon, he not only has embraced the worst traits of politicians but has magnified those same traits. I think he'll eventually be known as the WORST flip-flopper and the WORST liar for a presidential candidate in modern history.
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Re: Ann Romney's testimony

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beastie wrote:
sethpayne wrote:
Anyway, I'm rambling. I'm just sincerely puzzled about the animosity shown towards Romney. He's a politician -- not as skilled as Clinton or Reagan -- but still a politician.

Seth

ETA -- Glenn Beck hates Romney. Shouldn't that count in his favor? :)


I have animosity towards Romney because of his support of the personhood amendment despite the fact that two of his sons used in vitro fertilization.

I have animosity towards Romney because of his desire to lower taxes on the wealthy while simultaneously slashing benefits that have enabled many Americans to attain middle class status, and slashing benefits that enable the poor to feed their children.

I have animosity towards Romney for acting like "Obamacare" is socialism while "Romneycare" was a good idea.

I have animosity towards Romney for asserting that he'd be even more aggressively in favor of gay rights and then, a few years later, being aggressively opposed to gay rights.

I have animosity towards Romney for the fact that nearly every one of his ads I've seen is based on misrepresentation and lies.

I have animosity towards Romney for reeking of the entitlement of those who are born wealthy AND born of Mormon royalty.

In short, I have animosity towards Romney for the fact that, despite being a temple-recommend holding Mormon, he not only has embraced the worst traits of politicians but has magnified those same traits. I think he'll eventually be known as the WORST flip-flopper and the WORST liar for a presidential candidate in modern history.


Thanks, beastie.

I appreciate your PoV.

Seth
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I despise pandering to Teabagger lunacy.
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I'm not an American, so I have little to say concerning Romney or Obama. Though I do feel Romney comes across as a wealthy out-of-touch CEO, and his trip to London for the Olympic games showed he was considered more of a joke on the world stage than a leader.

I hope Romney wins because it will bring a whole new dimension to LDS apologetics when Romney is seen to sacrifice his values to appease a nation.

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Kishkumen wrote:I despise pandering to Teabagger lunacy.


Hi Kish,

I agree 100%. But then you despise a wide segment of GOP politics (as I do) and politicians and your angst isn't reserved for Romney alone.

It seems that him being LDS amplifies this angst for a lot of folks who are marginal (like me) or ex-mormon.

To put it another way, when I see Romney's right-wing politics and special interest pandering I don't see anything different from what Huckabee, Gingrich, Perry, or other right-wing politicians would do/say to appeal to the base. It's awful, yes. But do we really expect Romney to be any different than other US politicians?

Honestly, I'll be sitting this election out or writing in a candidates name as I have major concerns about both candidates.

Seth
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I love following Ann on Facebook. Her photos are fun and happy.

It is starting to look as if people like Romney for this:

"He is so successful, business oriented, and conservative. Our country needs someone who has good business sense to get us out of debt. We need someone who will finally stop giving the poor people that have enough money for beer, smokes, and tattoos welfare checks. He will get us out of the wars, unlike that current, liberal Pres."

That is what I gather.
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LDSToronto wrote:I'm not an American, so I have little to say concerning Romney or Obama. Though I do feel Romney comes across as a wealthy out-of-touch CEO, and his trip to London for the Olympic games showed he was considered more of a joke on the world stage than a leader.

I hope Romney wins because it will bring a whole new dimension to LDS apologetics when Romney is seen to sacrifice his values to appease a nation.

H.


Thanks, LDST.

I suppose I don't quite understand why anyone, including Mormons, expect Romney to be any different in terms of his moral values than any other US politician. Is he being held to a higher standard?

Also, I agree that what could have been a great diplomatic trip in London turned into a PR nightmare. Very disappointing.

As an American, regardless who wins I hope they do well. They will be our President after all and while I believe the President should be openly criticized, I also believe I have a duty to respect, and respectfully oppose in many cases, presidential politics.

That morons like Rush Limbaugh or even our more radical House members would state they wish Obama to fail is absolutely outrageous.

Seth

P.S. -- It has been interesting to follow Harper in Canada. He seems to be quite the polarizing figure.
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zeezrom wrote:I love following Ann on Facebook. Her photos are fun and happy.

It is starting to look as if people like Romney for this:

"He is so successful, business oriented, and conservative. Our country needs someone who has good business sense to get us out of debt. We need someone who will finally stop giving the poor people that have enough money for beer, smokes, and tattoos welfare checks. We will get us out of the wars, unlike that current, liberal Pres."

That is what I gather.


The problem, and my absolute biggest problem with Romney, is he is rattling the sword with Iran. This preemption nonsense has to stop. I feel like I'm in a bad remake of Minority Report.
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