Late Anger

[_Kishkumen]

Can't you see that it is exactly like the Jews in Jerusalem? Only in times of trouble did the Jews return to God.

Just because anti-semitism is encouraged in your scripture doesn't mean it is appropriate in dialogue in the real world now.

Wow.

Yeah, I have to vote with Frank there. The Old Testament makes a pretty strong case for Israel's departure from God. If you don't believe in God or revelation, you kinda have to admit that it looks like self-condemnation going on there rather than anti-Semitism.

[_Franktalk]

What a strange post. OK, I agree with the idea that people have unrealistic expectations and so forth, but calling others "losers"?

Talking down to others is not the best strategy for persuading them.

You are right I should not have used that term. I wanted shock value and it seemed appropriate at the time. I have no expectations that what I write will in any way get people to return to the church. That is not my goal. But I get so tired of the pity party that goes on here and other sites. I do believe that when one sets up unrealistic expectations that you have just created your own future. How else could the story end? I want people to learn from the experience. Move along but don't lean on another organization instead lean on yourself.

[_Kishkumen]

You are right I should not have used that term. I wanted shock value and it seemed appropriate at the time. I have no expectations that what I write will in any way get people to return to the church. That is not my goal. But I get so tired of the pity party that goes on here and other sites. I do believe that when one sets up unrealistic expectations that you have just created your own future. How else could the story end? I want people to learn from the experience. Move along but don't lean on another organization instead lean on yourself.

I have more or less come to the same conclusion as you, Frank. But, I spent a long time as a "loser." ;-)

[_Cinnamon Bear Head]

Who set the expectations? The church is supposed to be led by a god. Not figuratively, literally. Sucks that god sucks.

[_Kishkumen]

Who set the expectations? The church is supposed to be led by a god. Not figuratively, literally. Sucks that god sucks.

Yep. Kind of a letdown, no? I hear ya.

[_Stormy Waters]

We have nothing to "hide"..... Everything you know about us, comes from us. Problem is, is you only focus on the negative cherry pick, instead of studying out things for yourself understanding the context.

For now I'll ignore the rest of you post where you state that I have a mental disorder and ascribe various beliefs to me that I don't hold. In fact I'd like to offer you an opportunity. You always claim to have all the answers to anti-Mormon claims. So here is your opportunity. Explain why Joseph Smith mistranslated the plain text in the facsimiles.

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Feel free to take your time.

For once instead of flatly asserting that others are lying, provide some damn answers.

[_sock puppet]

Who set the expectations? The church is supposed to be led by a god. Not figuratively, literally. Sucks that god sucks.

Yep. Kind of a letdown, no? I hear ya.

God's moral development and growth has been stunted, as mankind's has continued. I think it was about the 17th Century when it started to become evident that god was lagging behind mankind in moral development.

[_Stormy Waters]

You are right I should not have used that term. I wanted shock value and it seemed appropriate at the time. I have no expectations that what I write will in any way get people to return to the church. That is not my goal. But I get so tired of the pity party that goes on here and other sites. I do believe that when one sets up unrealistic expectations that you have just created your own future. How else could the story end? I want people to learn from the experience. Move along but don't lean on another organization instead lean on yourself.

I agree with you in part FrankTalk. Believing that the church was being led by God was an unrealistic expectation. Also your lack of charity towards those who leave is completely typical and expected for a member of the church so I'm not really offended by it. I know it's just part of the programming.

[_Tchild]

I have zero expectations of the church.

We have that in common.

I have many expectations in Christ.

Excellent, rip out the religious section of your yellow pages, hang those pages on a wall and throw a dart as to which Christian denomination you will join. You can have "Christ" in any of them, and with such an attitude, for you a particular church is irrelevant. It wasn't so for me nor those on this board.

The church is a vehicle and nothing more.

"Nothing more" is right. The LDS church leadership would not agree with you at all. The LDS church claims to be much more than just a "vehicle" that you can choose amongst many.

The people I go to church with are honest hardworking men and women. I like to hang out with those kinds of people.

So do I, just not in a religious setting.

I fellowship with people I like not because of the building.

Well, that ain't a Mormon belief or attitude. A person is Mormon (and not any ol' random Christian) because the church claims it is unique in having the priesthood authority and in effectuating the ordinances necessary for salvation. According to Mormonism, having "Christ" is not enough on its own. You do understand that right?

Why would you measure faith by active membership? Abraham is the root of the tree of faith. The entire church is trying to be a branch on that tree. The root is made by a nonmember. Have you not read scripture?

So, show us a scripture, teaching or doctrine that LDS leaders teach as showing the LDS church as a voluntary branch of Christianity amongst many, that all lead to the same place? The LDS church teaches that it has exclusive and singular authority for the salvation and exaltation of men. Sorry, but the LDS church does not share that authority with any other Christian denomination. If it did, you wouldn't have to be baptized into the Mormon church if you were already once baptized. You do, and the church does not.

[_sock puppet]

You are right I should not have used that term. I wanted shock value and it seemed appropriate at the time. I have no expectations that what I write will in any way get people to return to the church. That is not my goal. But I get so tired of the pity party that goes on here and other sites. I do believe that when one sets up unrealistic expectations that you have just created your own future. How else could the story end? I want people to learn from the experience. Move along but don't lean on another organization instead lean on yourself.

So, Franktalk, your purpose here at MDB is not to get people to return to the Church, but to help us ex-mos learn from the experience, move forward learning self-reliance and not become dependent or lean on another organizations? How noble of you.

I would never have gathered that as your purpose from your posting history.

Are your efforts part of a program the Church has begun, calling for members to help ease the process of exiting mo's and helping them steer clear of joining other religions?